AS assumed the same thing and only got the book thrown at them within days of the first flight. YVR-SNA daily non-stop turned into a YVR-SEA-SNA same plane service which was unfortunate. Having pre-clearance facilities up here are only part of the story; the US airport must also be on the official US Port of Entry list (see http://www.customs.gov/xp/cgov/toolb...cts/ports/ca/). You would think that with so many Ports of Entry nearby that adding SNA would not be that big of a deal...

AFAIK, although LGB is indeed slot-controlled, airlines can slip under this policy by using RJs which is what AS did when they returned to LGB last year. They used QX RJs on the route to SEA until the slots were approved. It is somewhat unclear as to whether LGB is a Port of Entry since the Long Beach entry on the above link appears to cover the Sea Port only.

BTW, a big thanks to everyone at YVR DO. The insider info is appreciated. ^ The only thing that sticks in my mind is the Partner Offers link remains usless under the Top Tier section and from the sounds of it there will be nothing there all year long! They should update this on the website so we don't keep checking back for the bonus offers with SPG, Hertz, etc :D

I think shore 9 has matured to a level where he should be given as little more ropehere.

After taking over CP, AC continued flying this route until the fall of 2002. I flew on one of the last AC YVR-TPE flights. It was abut 1/3 full, and passengers were used as ballast during take-off and landing.

CrampedInY.

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Although I am sure UA keeps the channel open when they fly into other countries, including Canada, there are some legal and copyright issues to be considered here. In the USA, and under its laws, such communications and those between federal ATC are open for use by anyone. However, in Canada, these transmissions are technically restricted by Crown Copyright. Also by DOT regulations, these transmissions cannot be made public without the express permission of the federal government. Arcane maybe, but there is a matter of confidentiality with these transmission, and their ownership. That's why when there is an aircraft accident, the US authories generally release the transcript of ATC and recording of the "black box" relatively quickly, and before their final report is issued. This is not the case in Canada, as such a release must be approved by Cabinet or the PMO under terms of Crown Copyright. And even then, it is not generally released. [Compare how long it took to get ATC recordings made public between the TWA crash off Long Island and the SWISSAIR one off Nova Scotia.]

So much for our Open Skies treaty. Doesn't appear to be as open as we've been led to believe.

Many thanks to Parnel for organising the AC event, to Lee Carney for organising the Beaver and dinner, to Ben, Charlie, Andrew, Sandra, George, Caroline et all of AC for the morning session, Brian for the hangar tour (fascinating), Tyler and Capt Ed for the simulator tour.
I was happy to hear AC/AP asking as many questions of us, as we did of them.
Their is another thread going about $ thresholds for different status levels. Prior to seeing the thread I asked the question about revenue status and would my $36,000 qualify me for SE, I was given an unequivical no. Either naplesyrupeater doesn't have clue what (s)he is talking about or AC doesn't.

It was great to meet some new faces and re-acquaint with others.
Greywolf has clearly been doing too many flights and not getting enough sleep. First time I have seen someone fall asleep at a table, I figured it was the person to his right boring him ;)
Stinger's capacity to consume has not dwindled since the last time I saw him.
Shore9 is a very quiet affable fellow in person.
Ken Hamer is half the man I was expecting from his own description.
Lornag held her own with the boys till we were kicked out of Stinger's Vancouver office.
Feetdry's handle was officially changed to poutnpost.
I discovered that seanthepilot has life well figured out, I am envious.
We had many laughs at yyznomads expense, my fog is preventing me from remembering why, I will make it up if I can't remember it soon.

Once again, many thanks to all involved.

I can't recall what exactly was mentioned in terms of electronic upgrade certs, but Charlie did express concern that they are aware that there is a lot of fraud surrounding the current certificates. I'm not sure if he was referring to the selling or trading of certificates or of counterfeiting them.

It was a fascinating day. I'm just sorry that I couldn't join the rest of you for drinks and dinner. Sounds like you had a great time.

Charlie reacted very strongly to my suggestion that there were ways of 'scamming the system' with regards to the silly 30 minute cut-off at checkin (when a pax has no baggage and the airport is very small YFC was mentioned).

I think maybe he is very thin skinned when it comes to people finding 'short-cuts' (even if they are entirely within the operating procedures).

The mistake that AS made was to stumble along blindly without knowing the correct procedure. It is possible to operate from any pre-clearance airport to any airport in the USA 'Providing prior arrangements are made'.

AC and CP have operated charters into many airports in the US by first making an arrangement with the relevant Port Director (they have areas that encompass geographical areas and not just airports). The arrangement can be as simple as mailing the proper documents upon arrival in the US or maybe paying for one agent to drive over from a current port of entry.

The curious thing to me is that AS did not mend the fences with the port director for that area and set up a procedure. I think that maybe they p!ssed the PD off so bad that there was no hope. This would not necessarily stop another carrier from starting the service.

Congratulations to Shore9 for showing up at the dinner (after some of the abuse he has taken here). He will learn a lot from the rest of the board and someday soon be a great contributor if we give him a chance now.

I still say that he looks like Parnel's long lost son. They sat together at dinner and the resemblance is uncanny. :D :D :D

What does parnel have to say about that? :D

By the way, does anybody have pictures?

Yes, but they didn't mention the time frame.

So Sorry
 

.....and my sincere regrets for having to miss the whole show :( Well done Parnel and co for pulling this off. Seems like my favourite issue, Lifetime Status, did not gain much ground however and is not very high on AC's priority list - this after some encouragement last year from Sandra Diem....

Oh well - back in YVR next Tuesday.

Kudos^2 for Parnel. It was a great event - informative and productive. It was also very fun (*)


(*) Sorry for worrying y'all and thanks for asking if I was ok. Going without sleep for 2 days is something I'm not going to attempt again, if I can at all help it! btw how could seanthepilot possibly bore me, methinks I was the boring (snoring?) one of the evening :) I was a little chagrined at Mahoney's later in the night when yyznomad said "It was good talking, er not talking with you" heh.

Anyway, it was awesome meeting even more flyertalkers (though I didn't get a chance to meet everyone). Next time I promise I'll be more conscious. It's scary when Karen @ YVR noticed me at the airport and mentioned that I actually seemed awake this morning :P Damn work!

ps: luv2flyj, I owe you a beer that I won't spill on you :) Any designer labels (legitimacy will not be guaranteed) that I can get for you in Malaysia?