AC do notes
Mar 5, 2005 | 5:50 pm
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Similarily, US also offers a soft landing as an unpublished benefit. For instance, if I were SE and unable to make SE the following year - and didn't even meet the criteria for E - I'd still get E. In this case, this works for E -> P as well.
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Mar 5, 2005 | 6:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Simon
That was on my list, however the people sitting in front of us kept hogging all the airtime 
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Mar 5, 2005 | 6:08 pm
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Originally Posted by cedric
I would disagree there - how many corporate policies or government regs say "You must fly AC and you must do so on their lowest fare"?
Mar 5, 2005 | 6:17 pm
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Comparing delayed SE kits to a plane crash?
Originally Posted by Stranger
Sure, things can go wrong. But when things seem to always go wrong, questions must be raised.
My first question would be: was the subcontractor a reliable choice? Who picked the outfit? How competent are these guys? (Remember when that JAL plane crashed, didn't their presindet commit suicide, or at least resign? AP keeps goofing; sure there is always an excuse. But no one ever seems to take the blame, and the incompetents continue carrying the day it seems.)
My first question would be: was the subcontractor a reliable choice? Who picked the outfit? How competent are these guys? (Remember when that JAL plane crashed, didn't their presindet commit suicide, or at least resign? AP keeps goofing; sure there is always an excuse. But no one ever seems to take the blame, and the incompetents continue carrying the day it seems.)
Mar 5, 2005 | 6:26 pm
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Originally Posted by blue2002
So, are you:
a) Suggesting that AP lied to us about sprinklers;
b) Suggesting that sprinklers accidentally go off only in "boiler room" operations;
c) Suggesting that sprinklers at AP's fulfillment vendor are somehow tied into AC's IT infrastructure; OR (and here comes the most likely one...)
c) Just bitter and not making much sense?
a) Suggesting that AP lied to us about sprinklers;
b) Suggesting that sprinklers accidentally go off only in "boiler room" operations;
c) Suggesting that sprinklers at AP's fulfillment vendor are somehow tied into AC's IT infrastructure; OR (and here comes the most likely one...)
c) Just bitter and not making much sense?
"C" is the very obvious answer
Mar 5, 2005 | 6:37 pm
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Originally Posted by cedric
I don't think that it was really answered, since the discussion picked up on a different tangent. However, given that lifetime status has the potential to discourage some people from being loyal (if you had the choice of going AC or going DL; and since AC can't always take you where you need to go and DL is also an important part of your flying - you'd pick DL, not AC, because you'd also want to build up status there). However, I think the idea that was suggested is workable and is basically exactly what US does.
Any status miles earned beyond top-tier qualification are carried-over to the following year:
If in Year1, I fly 125K;
If in Year2, I fly 120K;
If in Year3, I fly 145K;
And if in Year 4, I manage to fly only 20K and then get side-tracked due to a parenting issue;
I'd still have 25+20+45+20=110K total status miles: Therefore, I'd easily make SE for the following year.
Similarily, US also offers a soft landing as an unpublished benefit. For instance, if I were SE and unable to make SE the following year - and didn't even meet the criteria for E - I'd still get E. In this case, this works for E -> P as well.
So together, those programs allow for an incentive to fly with the airline beyond the top tier qualification and also address the problem of taking a year off. Seems to me that if AE were to adopt something similar, they'd be able to hang on to those clients and not have the expense of a Lifetime program.
Any status miles earned beyond top-tier qualification are carried-over to the following year:
If in Year1, I fly 125K;
If in Year2, I fly 120K;
If in Year3, I fly 145K;
And if in Year 4, I manage to fly only 20K and then get side-tracked due to a parenting issue;
I'd still have 25+20+45+20=110K total status miles: Therefore, I'd easily make SE for the following year.
Similarily, US also offers a soft landing as an unpublished benefit. For instance, if I were SE and unable to make SE the following year - and didn't even meet the criteria for E - I'd still get E. In this case, this works for E -> P as well.
So together, those programs allow for an incentive to fly with the airline beyond the top tier qualification and also address the problem of taking a year off. Seems to me that if AE were to adopt something similar, they'd be able to hang on to those clients and not have the expense of a Lifetime program.
"banning". 
and gives them reaon to come back to the ariline once thye resume their careers or old flying habits. The soft landing,modified of course, could also be used for lifetime status award for SE's. They could be given instant KK for "X" years after fulfillment of the needed miles or at a certain age and, if they maintain a certain amount of paid segments per year, then dropping down to a minimum of lifetime "E" as their paid segments drop over the years thus losing instant KK when the "bank" of AE of miles is quite a bit lower anyway but maintaining exec check in and lounge access. I think we should vote on that
AC innovation team.......are you noting this??
Mar 5, 2005 | 6:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Hogtowner
I didn't get to fly our simulator (only observe) but a certain FTer will now be known as Capt Kangaroo......nothing like bouncing down it down the runway....
Cpt. K.
Mar 5, 2005 | 7:56 pm
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Kudos to parnel for setting up this AC/AP shindig
Thanks to Simon for the thorough and informative recap of the Q/A
Applause to AC/AP for choosing to be accessible to the FT community
That AP continues to be circumspect about its signature SE benefit- instant KK, is perplexing. I'm sure if they did some market research, they'd find that 'instant KK' is by far the primary reason earning and maintaining SE status.
Thanks to Simon for the thorough and informative recap of the Q/A
Applause to AC/AP for choosing to be accessible to the FT community
That AP continues to be circumspect about its signature SE benefit- instant KK, is perplexing. I'm sure if they did some market research, they'd find that 'instant KK' is by far the primary reason earning and maintaining SE status.
Mar 5, 2005 | 8:14 pm
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I don't think they were circumspect about instant KK at all. As posted, they listed it as one of the "big three" for SE status.
Mar 5, 2005 | 8:18 pm
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Originally Posted by blue2002
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing! BTW, the simulator rendered the impact of a "hard landing" quite faithfully.
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Mar 5, 2005 | 8:21 pm
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Sounds like everyone had at least as good a time as during the YUL do, perhaps even more with flight sims involved 
I hope I get a chance to land in a "snowy" LAX during some future DO with sims involved 
Thanks to Parnel, Ben Smith (and now Empress), many posters here are enjoying being DO veterans, afforded by the luxury of an airline communicative enough to host multiple DO's. In addition to marking the date of May 1st on my calendar, I'm hoping we get some word of decisions from the board meeting on Tuesday.
Looking forward to the pics of this DO, especially of the sims! ^
I hope I get a chance to land in a "snowy" LAX during some future DO with sims involved Thanks to Parnel, Ben Smith (and now Empress), many posters here are enjoying being DO veterans, afforded by the luxury of an airline communicative enough to host multiple DO's. In addition to marking the date of May 1st on my calendar, I'm hoping we get some word of decisions from the board meeting on Tuesday.
Looking forward to the pics of this DO, especially of the sims! ^
Mar 5, 2005 | 8:22 pm
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Originally Posted by yycguy2
^ NordsFan, Q Shoe Quy and Acsyb87 do you think we were persuasive enough to get Mrs. Parnel to post on here?
ACSYB87 has a particular surprise coming
Mar 5, 2005 | 8:30 pm
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As an interim A320 simulator pilot(i won the lottery) I managed to return Zena(spelling,AC IT person,)Ben and Why Fly to safety at YYZ.Needed the guidance of Captain Bruce to get me there.Sooooo realistic.I really miss having the opportunity to sit up front,pre 9/11 days 
Also enjoyed the F/A simulator with Shareholder and others.If the F/A's all smiled like these 2,......extremely pleasant.I can vouch for Shareholder,he did remove the emergency exit window.He hadalways wanted to do that!!
Did note that the Exec 1st seats in cabin had duct tape holding parts together.Just like the real thing
Also enjoyed the F/A simulator with Shareholder and others.If the F/A's all smiled like these 2,......extremely pleasant.I can vouch for Shareholder,he did remove the emergency exit window.He hadalways wanted to do that!!
Did note that the Exec 1st seats in cabin had duct tape holding parts together.Just like the real thing
