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Basics Back to top

Q: What is an eUpgrade?
A: eUpgrades (sometimes referred to as “eUps”) are a benefit of elite status with AC that allow elites to upgrade to a higher cabin (business class / Signature class, a.k.a. “J”, or premium economy, a.k.a. “PY” or “PE”).

Q: Are eUps automatic, like on Delta/AA/United?
A: No, you have to request one online or with a phone agent. You have to have sufficient eUpgrade credits (which, like the concept of eUpgrades, are often referred to as "eUps"), with an expiry date at least equal to the date of your flight, to make the request. If you don’t request an eUp, AC has no problem letting you sit in your original cabin, even if it means letting seats in J/PY go out empty.

Q: How many eUpgrade credits do I need for my flight?
A: Here's the official eUp chart (last updated by AC in October 2020; current as of at least December 2023)

Q: How are the number of required eUpgrade credits calculated for multi-segment itineraries? Is it by adding the cost of upgrading each segment individually, or for the end-to-end journey?
A: As long as your travel is continuous (without a >24hr stopover), then the number of eUpgrade credits required is for the end-to-end journey. Example, if you are travelling from YVR-YYZ-FRA, then the cost of upgrading both segments will be the same as though you had just a single segment from YVR-FRA. In some cases this may mean that a shorter segment is "free" (has no marginal cost). Note that you must clear each segment individually.

If you request an eUpgrade for AAA-BBB-CCC, but only the BBB-CCC segment clears, you will be charged eUp credits applicable only to the upgraded leg.

Q: I’m booked in economy on an aircraft with both PY and J cabins. Can I request an upgrade to both?
A:
No. You can request PY only, or you can request J and be listed for both J and PY.

Q: Can I confirm an upgrade to PY, then request an upgrade to J?
A:
Nope. Once you confirm a PY upgrade, that’s it.

Q: I was successful in a Bid Upgrade to the PY cabin. Can I now use my e upgrades to attempt to upgrade to J?
A: No. Only 1 upgrade is allowed. The same applies to a last minute upgrade to PY.

Q: If I don’t clear my upgrade to J, can I still get upgraded to PY?
A:
Yes, if your upgrade doesn’t clear until the gate, you will be on the list for both J and PY, including the seats newly-vacated by people booked in PY who cleared their eUp to J at the gate.

Q: Are eUps guaranteed once they're confirmed?
A:
Not quite. For example, you won't get bumped out of an eUp just because somebody with higher status requested one after yours was confirmed. However, in very rare circumstances, for example if your plane gets swapped for one with a smaller (or no) business cabin, you might lose your eUp. See this thread for details. Further note that Air Canada generally takes the approach that a downgrade-from-eUp for operational reasons (equipment change, broken seat, etc) shall not receive any meaningful compensation, since you flew in the cabin you paid for.




Timing & Availability Back to top

Q: When can I request an eUpgrade?
A: You can request an upgrade as soon as you book the flight, with the exception of the travel companion benefit (person on same flight but not on same PNR; see below for details). Travel companion eUpgrade requests need to be made by airport staff after the flight opens for check-in.

Q: When can I confirm (or "clear") my eUpgrade?
A: You have to be within the "clearance window" that applies to your status and fare type. The windows are detailed in the AC eUp requirements document.

Q: Can you be more specific?
A:
All upgrades that clear in advance of the gate are subject to upgrade space being available. In addition:
  • for flexible fares (Latitude and Premium Economy Flexible): If upgrade space is available (more on that below) you can confirm an eUpgrade immediately after booking, even months in advance.
  • for non-flexible fares (Standard, Flex, Comfort, Premium Economy Lowest): You have to be within the clearance window in the document linked above, which ranges from 3-14 days, depending on fare brand, route, and status.
Exception: if you have no status, you can only clear an upgrade on a Latitude or Premium Economy Flexible fare 7 days in advance (non-flexible fares cannot be upgraded).

Q: What does "upgrade space" mean?
A:
Upgrade space (also known as R space - see below) refers to the number of seats that Air Canada are prepared to let people upgrade in to, in advance. This is not the same as the number of business seats that are available for sale. If Air Canada think that they will be able to sell all of the business seats on a plane (by the time of the flight) then they might not make any upgrade space available for that flight, even a full year in advance.

Q: I see a lot of people talking about "R space" or "R0", what does that mean?
A:
In short, R is the fare bucket Air Canada uses to make eUpgrade space available. If R is greater than zero, there are eUp spaces still available. If R = 0, then anyone who's requested an eUp will be waitlisted.

Q: What if I only want to upgrade to Premium Economy?
A:
Replace "R" with "N".

Q: The AC website tells me whether my upgrade request will be confirmed or waitlisted. Is it reliable?
A:
No. The website may tell you you’ll be waitlisted, when in fact your upgrade will be confirmed right away. Or it may say there’s space available even though you’ll be waitlisted. This is true of both the upgrade availability displayed during the booking flow as well as the eUpgrade website. The only exception being that if you’re outside your clearance window, the website should pretty reliably tell you that you’ll be waitlisted.

If the website tells you you’ll be upgraded, then waitlists you, you may be able to phone in to have the eUpgrade cleared, or not. If there’s R space, it’s likely they will be able to clear the upgrade.

Q: I’m waitlisted on a flight that’s R0. Will AC release more R space before the flight? Do I have to wait until the flight to find out whether I’m upgraded?
A:
AC might release more R space tomorrow (or clear your upgrade without creating any R space). Or they might never clear any more upgrades on that flight. If you’re still waitlisted, your upgrade may clear at the gate.

Q: What does “at the gate” mean?
A:
The upgrade list is typically processed 5 minutes after check-in for the flight closes. Check-in generally closes 45 minutes before domestic flights and 1 hour before international flights, meaning the upgrade list gets run at T-40 or T-55, as applicable (although occasionally it will be delayed). Even if your upgrade doesn’t clear at that point, it’s theoretically possible to still be upgraded if someone else in the cabin doesn’t show up.

Q: Is there a way to check my position on the upgrade list? To ensure I am on the list?
A: The mobile app will have a "Standby and Upgrade" list available at T-24 hours on the Flight Status page. Note that the order of the list may not be the order in which they process eUpgrades and only people checked in will show on the list. If you are upgraded you will receive a check mark beside your name.

Q: I boarded the plane but am still hoping for an upgrade; however, my name is no longer on the list? Does that mean I won't get upgraded?
A: Once you are marked as boarded in the system your name will no longer appear on the mobile app. There is much debate on what policy is once boarded; however, many feel "You Board, You Lose" and once boarded you are not likely to be upgraded using eUpgrades as the gate agents must process that transaction manually.

Q: So is there a chance that my upgrade might clear after I have boarded?
A: Probably not. Although this has happened on occasion, it's not a normal or automated or routine occurrence. Generally speaking, once you have boarded your name is removed from the upgrade list and you'll be sitting in the seat you boarded for. See this thread for details.

Q: How can I find the R space for my flight?
A:
Using a paid service like ExpertFlyer. If you ask nicely and don't overdo it, many FTers with EF accounts will help you in the Official Fare Bucket Check Request Thread.

Q: So, WHEN should I check for R space for my flight?
A:
This depends on your status and what kind of fare you have, so please read and keep in mind the confirmation windows mentioned above.
  • If you have (or are about to purchase) a flexible fare (Latitude and Premium Economy Flexible), then by all means check now since your upgrade could also clear immediately. If your plans are flexible, this can be a useful strategy to help find specific flights that could clear immediately well before the ‘normal’ confirmation windows.
  • If you don’t have one of the flexible fares mentioned, R space viewed on something like ExpertFlyer is only useful when you get close to your confirmation window. Checking before that is probably a waste of time.

Q: I heard a rumour that paid Latitude fares can eUp even when R=0. Is this true?
A:
Sometimes; it's complicated. Senior execs at Aeroplan have said that “in some cases” a Latitude or PE Flex cash fare (including Flight Pass Latitude Bookings) might clear an eUp even when R=0, but they've also been very clear that they will not be releasing the exact method by which this is determined, and that the same thing is less-often true for award Latitude / PE Flex. In other words, it may happen but don't assume it, and there are lots of times when it simply never happens.

Q: My flight shows R=1 (or more), and I'm within my window, but my upgrade has not cleared.
Answer depends on how close you are to the flight.
  • Within 36 hours of departure Your upgrade can't clear until the gate.
  • More than 36 hours from departure: Cancelling the request and then requesting again may solve it. Or you may be able to solve it by phoning in. Or you may not, because it's AC.

Q: I have a pending upgrade and I am looking at the mobile app - who are all those other people listed?
A:
The list shows everyone who wants to sit in a cabin that they're not currently confirmed in. If you see a name listed for both PY and J, they're trying to upgrade from Y; names listed only for J are trying to upgrade from PY.

Q: What are my chances of clearing an eUp for [FLIGHT] on [DATE] if I have [STATUS]?
A:
All we can do is make an educated guess. Lots of business travel gets booked last minute, or pilots need to reposition, or any of a dozen other things that might turn J9 in to J0 just before departure.

Q: But the seat map shows [x] seats occupied. Surely that means my odds are [good][bad]?
A: STOP LOOKING AT THE SEAT MAP. STOP LOOKING AT THE SEAT MAP. STOP LOOKING AT THE SEAT MAP.

Seriously, stop looking at the seat map. The seat map is not an accurate guide to the number of seats available in the cabin. Many people do not select their seats when booking, which can mean more seats have been sold than show as occupied on the seat map. On the other hand, due to IT glitches, seats are sometimes shown as blocked when there are waitlisted eUps or staff members on passes (see this thread for details). So the seat map may show more seats available than there truly are, or fewer. Or it may be correct. There’s no way to know for sure.

So stop looking at the seat map.

Q: I see people talking about "Aerolotto", what is that? Can I bet eUps?
A:
Aerolotto is a slang term for waiting at the gate to see if your eUp clears, or you're stuck in the original seat you paid for.

Q: I want to upgrade my flight on date X, but all my eUps expire on date Y, where Y < X. Can I upgrade?
A: NO. To eUp any flight, at any time, you need to have credits that are still valid on the date of the flight.



Earning and Validity Back to top

Q: How long are eUpgrades good for? When do they expire?
A: It depends on when the eUpgrade is deposited in your account.
  • eUpgrade earned January 1st - June 30th: Valid until January 15th of next calendar year
  • eUpgrade earned July 1st - December 31st: Valid until January 15th two calendar years later

Q: When do I need to use them by?
A: An eUpgrade needs to be used for a flight departing prior to 23:59 local time (where your flight departs) on the day your eUpgrade expires.

Q: Can I delay picking my benefits package until after July 1st to have eUpgrades have the later expiry year?
A: Yes. Picking your benefit after July 1st will have your eUpgrades deposited with an expiry year two years after the deposit date.

Q: I have an Amex Reserve / VISA VIP card that offers eUpgrade rollover. When I try to apply eUpgrades to a flight next year, it doesn't work. Why?
A: The eUpgrade rollover feature does not extend the expiry date of your eUpgrades. Those eUpgrades will expire, and you'll be issued new eUpgrades with a new expiry date. The T&C of these programs state that the rollover eUpgrades will be deposited by March 30, but it in 2022 and 2023 they were deposited before the end of January. Because of this quirk, it is not possible to use eUpgrades that would be rolled over. This thread on Aeroplan rollover benefits has more detailed information.

Q: Can I buy eUpgrades?
A: No. Generally you can only earn eUpgrades through a benefit package or SQM thresholds.



Upgrading Multiple Passengers Back to top

Q: I want to use my eUp credits to upgrade somebody else. Is this possible?
Are they on the same booking (“PNR”) as you?
  • Yes: You can upgrade a maximum of three passengers on a booking. If the booking has more than three passengers, you can't request an upgrade for any of them, before the day of travel. You can split the booking so that it has at most three passengers, then upgrade it, although splitting bookings can come with other, negative consequences.
  • No, but they’re on the same flight: You can request the upgrade at the airport on the day of travel; AC refers to this as upgrading a "travel companion".
  • No, and they’re not on the same flight: No, unless you’re Super Elite. If you’re Super Elite, you can designate a nominee, and you can upgrade this person on any flight they’re on. Your nominee selection stays in effect until January 17th of each year, and you only get one per status year. You cannot upgrade anyone else on your nominee's PNR.

Q: I'm trying to upgrade a travel companion on my flight, but the agent has no idea how. What do I do?
A: Tell the agent to go to the "customer" tab, select "upgrade", then select "use other FQTV".

Q: Can I use a "Companion Pass" from my credit card and eUpgrades on the same booking.
A: Yes. Refer to the Worldwide Companion Pass Thread for more information on companion passes.

Q: What's the maximum number of people I can upgrade on a flight
Are you Super Elite?
  • No: 5 (yourself + two people on the same PNR + two travel companions)
  • Yes: 6 (yourself + two people on the same PNR + two travel companions + nominee)

Q: I am SE and want to upgrade my nominee but they are on a PNR with multiple people and the system won't let me? Why not? What now?
A:
You can't have multiple people on the same PNR living in different cabins so the eUpgrade system will not allow you to request the eUpgrade. You may need to call in to AC (or Aeroplan if it is a flight reward) and ask them to split the PNR so that the person you want to upgrade is on their own PNR, at which point your eUpgrade should be fine. This shouldn't impact the ticket or incur a fee. But once you split the PNR you cannot join it back.

Q: I am SE and want to upgrade my nominee and their companion traveling on the same PNR. Is this possible?
A:
No.

Does there have to be space for all passengers to upgrade at once, or can we clear them one at a time?
A:
It depends on timing and who you're trying to upgrade
  • For passengers on the same booking as you:
    • Before the gate: There has to be space for everyone who's on the booking. For example, if you have two people on the PNR, there have to be two seats available for anyone to be upgraded
    • At the gate: Upgrades will be processed in order of priority, and your party may be split up if not everyone clears (or clears in to different cabins). If it looks likely that your group will be split up and you don't want that, ask the gate agent to remove you from the upgrade list
  • For nominees and travel companions: everyone can clear on their own whenever there's space and they're at the top of the upgrade list

Q: Can I upgrade my nominee on a flight that departs after January 17th?
A:
Yes, you should be able to upgrade them on any flight, regardless of departure date (subject to having eUps with sufficient validity).



Payments and Refunds Back to top

Q: If I don't get upgraded, or my flight gets cancelled, do I get the eUps back?
A:
Yes, eUps get refunded if your upgrade doesn't clear or your flight is cancelled (whether AC cancels it or you do). This should happen automatically shortly after the flight in most cases. If your eUps don't get returned to your account, fill out the form on this page.

Q: The eUpgrade I want to use has an additional cost. When will I be charged?
A:
eUpgrade add-ons are charged to your credit card when the eUpgrade is cleared, although AC may place a hold on the card before that.

Q: I'm a Super Elite and I'm still being charged for add-ons. Why?
A:
Super Elites are only exempt from eUpgrade add-on charges on international business-class flights (except for Standard tickets.)

Q: Will I be refunded my add-on payment if I cancel a booking that successfully cleared an eUpgrade?
A: There are no refunds on add-on payments.

Q: I paid extra for a Preferred Seat in Economy, does that fee get refunded if my upgrade request is successful?
A: There is no refund on preferred seats if you are upgraded.

Q: Do I earn Status Qualifying Dollars (SQD) for any eUpgrade add-on fees?
A: Yes, eUpgrade add-on fees paid where applicable earn SQD. This applies to fares paid in cash and with Aeroplan points. The SQD from the add-on will post as a separate transaction and may not post at the same time as the SQM/SQS/SQD from the flight itself.

Q: Who earns the SQD? If I upgraded someone using my eUps, do I get it?
A: SQD is earned by the passenger who was eUpgraded – who paid for the eUps or for the add-on doesn’t matter.



Priority for eUps Back to top

Q: What is the priority for eUpgrades?
A:
Upgrade priority at the gate:
  1. Cabin: If you're in PY, you're ahead of everyone in Y
    • Note: for upgrades to PY only, the requested cabin also appears to matter - AC appears to process anyone who requested, and didn't receive, an eUp to J, before those who requested an upgrade to PY (i.e. a 25K on a Flex fare who requested, but failed to clear, an upgrade to J would get a PY upgrade before an SEMM on a Latitude fares who only requested an eUp to PY). Note that this has not yet been extensively tested by FTers and is based on order on the publicly available upgrade list
  2. Status: There are several sub-priorities within status, listed in order of importance:
    1. Elite status; VIP > SE > 75K > 50K > 35K > 25K
    2. MM status; 2MM+ (no distinction between 2MM, 3MM, etc) outranks MMs, who outrank those without MM status
    3. Do you have a Premium credit card (TD/CIBC VIP or Amex Reserve) or not? (Other cards convey no eUp priority benefit)
    • To illustrate: any VIP > SE 2MM+ with credit card > SE 2MM+ > SE MM with credit card > SE MM > SE with credit card > SE > any 75K
    • If two passengers are on the PNR, the priority might be based on the highest status, regardless of who requested the upgrade, per this post
  3. "Fare": Brand comes first (PF > PL; LT > CO > FL > ST), so a low Comfort fare is higher priority than Flex M. Within a brand, fare class matters. If you bought your ticket through another airline, and you don't have a brand, they infer a brand based on the fare class.
    Fare class hierarchy:
    • PY fares: O > E > A > N
    • Y fares: Y > B > M > U > H > Q > V > W > S > T > L > K > G
  4. Check-in time: As indicated by your sequence number

Upgrade priority prior to the gate is similar, with possible exceptions for full-fare (Latitude / Premium Economy Flexible) bookings. In the old system, a 25K on a Latitude fare would be ahead of a SE on a Premium Economy Lowest fare prior to the gate. Time of upgrade request replaces check-in time.

Q: How can I tell where I rank for an upgrade?
A:
After check-in opens, the AC app has an upgrade list where you can see the people on the waitlist for J and PY. Note that the list is not only for eUps, but also includes customers on standby and some employees travelling on passes, and possibly others.

Q: How do those other things rank relative to eUpgrades?
A:
Staff on pass travel generally rank below eUps, while others may effectively rank ahead of or behind eUps.

Q: Is the app always correct?
A:
Unfortunately not. Sometimes the order is wrong, and sometimes people are missing from the list entirely even though they’re actually on the waitlist for an upgrade (and we have numerous reports of eUps clearing even when people weren’t showing on the public list)



eUpgrades & Partner Airlines Back to top

Q: Can I use eUps if I credit my mileage on an Air Canada flight to another airline?
A:
Yes. To request an eUpgrade, your Aeroplan number has to be on the file. Crediting to another FFP requires changing your Aeroplan number after check-in.

Q: Can I use eUps on partner operated flights (such as United, Lufthansa, etc)?
A:
No, you can only use eUps on flights operated by aircraft with "Air Canada" written on the outside.

Q: Can I use eUps on an Air Canada operated flight that was booked through a partner?
Answer depends on what type of booking you have made.
  • Cash tickets (i.e. not points): Yes, but with some complexity as to when and how you can request the upgrade.
    Is your AC flight a codeshare (a flight marketed by the other airline but operated by AC, e.g. marketed as UA5678, operated by AC as AC1234)?
    • No: you should be able to request it as usual via the eUp site
    • Yes: you can eUpgrade that -- but not before the day of the flight. You may only request an upgrade with an Air Canada agent at the airport, or at the departure gate on your day of travel.
  • Points tickets (United MileagePlus, Avianca Lifemiles, etc): No. These tickets cannot be upgraded.



Other Types of Upgrade Back to top

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Old Mar 26, 2024, 10:18 am
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Originally Posted by SkyExplorerYYZ
Based on earlier posts on here and Reddit, it looks like a number of users got 20 core eupgrade credits with an expiry date in 2026 rather than 2025. Presumably this was a mistake. So you got lucky that your credits expire in 2026 ... they should all be expiring in 2025.

Did you select your Select benefits yet? If you have not, and if you select your Select benefits after July 1st and pick the 50 eupgrade credits, there's a chance they will expire in 2026 too.
It's not a chance, it's expected and why many people defer selection to after July 1st.

And yes, I along with many others it seems got 20 Core e-Ups with a 2026 expiry...no way to get more that I know of other than earning them after July 1st.
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Old Mar 27, 2024, 10:57 am
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Random question: I was under the impression that cabin trumps status and fare class when it comes to eupgrade priority. However, me and my wife were on same route, my wife booked in PY and I in Y. We are both SE. We both had an international and a Canadian segment on a B787 and a B777. On the international segment my wife's eupgrade cleared at the time of booking and I had to wait till boarding as expected. For the Canadian segment neither upgrade cleared in advance and on the upgrade list I was one spot ahead of her? Any idea why that is?
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Old Mar 27, 2024, 7:04 pm
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Originally Posted by tbuff
It said space available when I selected the Latitude fare. It also said available when I was on the eUpgrade space

however no such space exists



not according to two agents I talked to tonight

still displaying space available on ACs website. But waitlisted as soon as you try and apply Eupgrades
Did you ever try just booking one passenger? It may have space for one upgrade, but not two, and AC will not separate your ticket prior to the gate.
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Old Mar 28, 2024, 8:50 am
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Originally Posted by neilk99
1. If you’re on the same PNR your status extends to the others you requested the upgrade for ie they should immediately follow you on the upgrade list.
On a flight from HKG - YYZ, I was #1 & 2 on the list with my spouse, but suddenly had someone join the list (2 hours before departure) and get slotted in between me and my partner, so that we became #1 and #3. (I am SE, flying in PE). Anyone know what could have happened here?
If he was above me, I'd understand, but it was weird to see him inbetween us.
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Old Mar 28, 2024, 9:21 am
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Originally Posted by xinzhang5228
On a flight from HKG - YYZ, I was #1 & 2 on the list with my spouse, but suddenly had someone join the list (2 hours before departure) and get slotted in between me and my partner, so that we became #1 and #3. (I am SE, flying in PE). Anyone know what could have happened here?
If he was above me, I'd understand, but it was weird to see him inbetween us.
From what we've been able to tell, companions are prioritized between your status and the next lowest down. In my case, they would be between SMR and SM.

So this person probably had the same status as you, but a lower fare.
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Old Mar 28, 2024, 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by xinzhang5228
On a flight from HKG - YYZ, I was #1 & 2 on the list with my spouse, but suddenly had someone join the list (2 hours before departure) and get slotted in between me and my partner, so that we became #1 and #3. (I am SE, flying in PE). Anyone know what could have happened here?
If he was above me, I'd understand, but it was weird to see him inbetween us.
I'm pretty sure the quote you posted is wrong. At the gate, everyone is on their own status, thus this person was probably in PY, and SE or lower. I've had similar cases where my wife and start #1, and #2 and ultimately get separated on the list as people check in. Someone can obviously correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old Mar 28, 2024, 10:41 am
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Originally Posted by 172pilot
At the gate, everyone is on their own status
That hasn't been true in years.
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Old Mar 28, 2024, 8:09 pm
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Originally Posted by tbuff
sorry, there are multiple posts that say 'eUpgrade space available' for Latitude but you go straight to waitlisted? That happens reguarly? A very common occurrence?

I have been reading this thread for awhile now and I wouldn't say that's the case that it has been inundated with that.

there are people out there who don't use expertflyer and just go off of what is displayed. I would think it would be sufficient to go off the website rather than use a 3rd party source. Is that so unreasonable?
PSA for folks that there is a known bug right now where eups on international legs are showing as available (for instant eup with latitude fare) but when you complete purchase and submit eup request it goes to waitlist.

@HerpaYvr & I spent 2 hours x 3 nights (6 hours total) trying to complete a MR booking with multiple different dates and probably 20 SE Concierge agents (using his access) before finally tonight a rep mentioned that there's a bug that IT Is working on but there's no ETA on a fix. So we're pausing trying to complete it until sometime next week with the hope that it gets resolved then.

So I guess two potential takeaways for this group:

1) if it appears to be broken.. it is... Might need to give it a few days before you can complete bookings as intended. Eups for our domestic legs were able to clear but on international despite it saying available (in booking pages, and then also eup dashboard with green check), would then get put into waitlisted
2) please call in and complain (ideally with SE line) - the more ppl who are complaining the more pressure on IT, and higher urgency to get it fixed.

I'm not holding out hope that anyone will work on it over this long weekend but hopefully we can get resolution by early next week as this is super frustrating...

Thanks..
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Old Mar 28, 2024, 8:23 pm
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Originally Posted by liquidpop
PSA for folks that there is a known bug right now where eups on international legs are showing as available (for instant eup with latitude fare) but when you complete purchase and submit eup request it goes to waitlist.

@HerpaYvr & I spent 2 hours x 3 nights (6 hours total) trying to complete a MR booking with multiple different dates and probably 20 SE Concierge agents (using his access) before finally tonight a rep mentioned that there's a bug that IT Is working on but there's no ETA on a fix. So we're pausing trying to complete it until sometime next week with the hope that it gets resolved then.

So I guess two potential takeaways for this group:

1) if it appears to be broken.. it is... Might need to give it a few days before you can complete bookings as intended. Eups for our domestic legs were able to clear but on international despite it saying available (in booking pages, and then also eup dashboard with green check), would then get put into waitlisted
2) please call in and complain (ideally with SE line) - the more ppl who are complaining the more pressure on IT, and higher urgency to get it fixed.

I'm not holding out hope that anyone will work on it over this long weekend but hopefully we can get resolution by early next week as this is super frustrating...

Thanks..
This bug is more than a year old, or at least variations of the bug. I've mentioned it before. A year back you could find sympathetic agents who would collect the proof and push the upgrades thru manually, but nowadays this is much harder, they declare it "impossible" or "not allowed", with words like "the web site is just advisory", and I've said things like "my provision of payment was just advisory, I'll cancel the ticket", and sometimes an agent can then push the upgrade... they seem to always make notes of these conversations, because HUCA doesn't seem very effective.

Twice, I have validated R1 before booking, then re-validated R1 mere moments before pushing the eupgrade button. Then it waitlists and goes to R0. Frustrating.
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Old Mar 28, 2024, 9:19 pm
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Originally Posted by mountainboy
This bug is more than a year old, or at least variations of the bug. I've mentioned it before. A year back you could find sympathetic agents who would collect the proof and push the upgrades thru manually, but nowadays this is much harder, they declare it "impossible" or "not allowed", with words like "the web site is just advisory", and I've said things like "my provision of payment was just advisory, I'll cancel the ticket", and sometimes an agent can then push the upgrade... they seem to always make notes of these conversations, because HUCA doesn't seem very effective.
It's well older than a year. When this happens, it's almost always the website that did you wrong, not the agents.
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Old Mar 28, 2024, 9:38 pm
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Originally Posted by YOWgary
It's well older than a year. When this happens, it's almost always the website that did you wrong, not the agents.
hrm - we tried quite a few different dates including booking out into November when the plane switches from a 787 to a 777. Putting in the eup online, and calling in to have the agent apply the eups.

Is there a 'reliable' solution you've found to have the instant eups clear all the way? Or do we need to maybe try a different destination to see if we can land somewhere R is actually >0?
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Old Mar 29, 2024, 12:27 am
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I sure hope this trip goes better than the booking process so far. I am flying YEG-SFO-FCO on a P fare but YEG-SFO on AC8557 is in booked in Y. I tried to get AC to put me into P because it's now available but apparently they can't without repricing the entire ticket. It's only 1 credit to Eupgrade since I'm booked into Y so I figure, why not. Apparently it cannot be done.

The ticket itself is AC issued and the flight is AC8557 (no codeshare) but the fare basis on the bound is an LH filled fare basis. I was told on the phone that because of this, the flight cannot be eupgraded. This makes no sense to me because even partner bookings can be eupgraded so long as the flight number is an AC flight number. This is an AC issued ticket!

The agent on the phone was pretty mystified himself and apparently so was his help desk. The only thing he could suggest was to submit a customer relations complaint through the website and see if it gets anywhere.

Has anyone run into something like this before? Is there any policy that someone is aware of that actually states this flight wouldn't be upgradeable?
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Old Mar 29, 2024, 12:41 am
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Originally Posted by Deathray
I sure hope this trip goes better than the booking process so far. I am flying YEG-SFO-FCO on a P fare but YEG-SFO on AC8557 is in booked in Y. I tried to get AC to put me into P because it's now available but apparently they can't without repricing the entire ticket. It's only 1 credit to Eupgrade since I'm booked into Y so I figure, why not. Apparently it cannot be done.

The ticket itself is AC issued and the flight is AC8557 (no codeshare) but the fare basis on the bound is an LH filled fare basis. I was told on the phone that because of this, the flight cannot be eupgraded. This makes no sense to me because even partner bookings can be eupgraded so long as the flight number is an AC flight number. This is an AC issued ticket!

The agent on the phone was pretty mystified himself and apparently so was his help desk. The only thing he could suggest was to submit a customer relations complaint through the website and see if it gets anywhere.

Has anyone run into something like this before? Is there any policy that someone is aware of that actually states this flight wouldn't be upgradeable?
That's preposterous and nonsense.

Call again tomorrow.
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Old Mar 29, 2024, 2:23 am
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
That's preposterous and nonsense.

Call again tomorrow.
I agree very strongly. I've had awful experience with this, multiple times. It is so tiring. Another example:

I booked one (1) international LT reward ticket with YYC-YVR and YVR-YYC segments. For a 2-person web booking it suggested eupgrade available for 2 people on all segments. Also, tools showed R2 on all segments. Pushed the button (which now always says "you will be waitlisted"), and cleared the internationals, but waitlisted YVR-YYC and YYC-YVR. Tools showed that all segments went to R0. Booked a revenue PF for mountaingrl to see what would happen. She cleared YYC-YVR and YVR-YYC and the outbound international immediately even though R0, and waitlisted the return international. (I understand PF gets extra inventory). Three weeks later her PF return international upgraded without an email. My LT (Y, not B) YYC-YVR and YVR-YYC are still waitlisted.

It's frustrating trying to build clever trips.
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Old Mar 29, 2024, 11:08 am
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Changing flight after confirmed upgrade

If I book a latitude return trip and upgrade all segments immediately, but later decide I want to change the return (possibly after the first leg is flown but possibly sooner), does anyone know if that flexibility gets messed up because of the confirmed upgrade? I seem to recall an experience where the agent had to cancel and rebook the whole thing when I had something like this come up before, but its been a while. I could just not upgrade the return leg for the time being but since there is R space right now I would rather get that out of the way if it doesn't restrict flexibility later. TIA!
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