2023 schedule updates - new/cancelled routes, frequency/equipment changes, etc
Jan 9, 2023, 1:08 pm
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Jan 9, 2023, 2:32 pm
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Jan 9, 2023, 4:37 pm
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Over the last couple years, when countries opened up airfares were quite high to take advantage of pent up demand.
As you see, there is little capacity at the moment and lots of demand.
Once supply and demand are more in equilibrium fares will come down.
How much spare capacity does AC have to add flights to China?
As you see, there is little capacity at the moment and lots of demand.
Once supply and demand are more in equilibrium fares will come down.
How much spare capacity does AC have to add flights to China?
Jan 9, 2023, 5:37 pm
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Over the last couple years, when countries opened up airfares were quite high to take advantage of pent up demand.
As you see, there is little capacity at the moment and lots of demand.
Once supply and demand are more in equilibrium fares will come down.
How much spare capacity does AC have to add flights to China?
As you see, there is little capacity at the moment and lots of demand.
Once supply and demand are more in equilibrium fares will come down.
How much spare capacity does AC have to add flights to China?
On the demand side, there are reports that they'll be a backlog of passport applications out of China, as well as a corresponding issue with visas for foreign visitors. I don't think there's any clarity on whether they'll unsuspend visas issued before 2020, or on anything really from the Chinese yet.
Jan 9, 2023, 8:09 pm
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YYZ/HKG?
anyone have any insight on the old YYZ/HKG route?
I vaguely recall that the flight path was over arctic/russia so wondering if this route is currently impossible so I should maybe temper expectations and look for a YYZ-YVR-HKG instead?
I vaguely recall that the flight path was over arctic/russia so wondering if this route is currently impossible so I should maybe temper expectations and look for a YYZ-YVR-HKG instead?
Jan 9, 2023, 8:13 pm
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That last bit is what I was hoping our more knowledgeable members might be able to address.
On the demand side, there are reports that they'll be a backlog of passport applications out of China, as well as a corresponding issue with visas for foreign visitors. I don't think there's any clarity on whether they'll unsuspend visas issued before 2020, or on anything really from the Chinese yet.
On the demand side, there are reports that they'll be a backlog of passport applications out of China, as well as a corresponding issue with visas for foreign visitors. I don't think there's any clarity on whether they'll unsuspend visas issued before 2020, or on anything really from the Chinese yet.
Jan 10, 2023, 10:37 am
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Just curious with China opening up, how long does it usually take for Air Canada to reintroduce the flight route? Could they start flying within months or does it take longer? I've seen airlines "introducing" flights for the latter half of the year, so just wondering even if China reopens, there's no way for AC to start flying before the summer.
Jan 10, 2023, 4:42 pm
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Just curious with China opening up, how long does it usually take for Air Canada to reintroduce the flight route? Could they start flying within months or does it take longer? I've seen airlines "introducing" flights for the latter half of the year, so just wondering even if China reopens, there's no way for AC to start flying before the summer.
Jan 10, 2023, 7:03 pm
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Jan 10, 2023, 7:25 pm
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Aren't they flying to ICN and then on to PVG? They don't want their pilots to overnight in China so they fly short return hops from Seoul to avoid that. That's why YVR and YYZ flights are to ICN first and then on to PVG. I think...
Jan 10, 2023, 7:41 pm
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Yes. AA, AF, DL, and UA have also been doing the same drill for almost two years. From a passenger perspective, you can almost convince yourself that you're still flying during the ICN stops because nobody is allowed on or off the plane except for the crew change. In any event, all of these flights will eliminate the Korea ritual fairly soon.
Jan 10, 2023, 7:55 pm
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It still counts as a direct flight. Not sure if it is still a nonstop one if it is just technical stop.
Jan 10, 2023, 8:23 pm
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Yes. AA, AF, DL, and UA have also been doing the same drill for almost two years. From a passenger perspective, you can almost convince yourself that you're still flying during the ICN stops because nobody is allowed on or off the plane except for the crew change. In any event, all of these flights will eliminate the Korea ritual fairly soon.
So if ICN route available now are considered direct, any additional flight will be net new? Looks like they have icn flight from toronto 2xweek. Flight prices are simply crazy for the summer, and was thinking this is due to unavailability of ac flights, but if you're saying flights are actually available through icn, then is this the best we have?? Or will AC increase flights as China reopens?
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Jan 10, 2023, 8:35 pm
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Wait, so the connection through icn isn't actually connection and they're just direct flight?
So if ICN route available now are considered direct, any additional flight will be net new? Flight prices are simply crazy for the summer, and was thinking this is due to unavailability of ac flights, but if you're saying flights are actually available through icn, then is this the best we have??
So if ICN route available now are considered direct, any additional flight will be net new? Flight prices are simply crazy for the summer, and was thinking this is due to unavailability of ac flights, but if you're saying flights are actually available through icn, then is this the best we have??
The existing frequencues will not be "net new" when they remove the ICN stop.