AC Cargo-Only Flights (2020 onwards)
Apr 27, 2020, 7:50 am
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The little bird flying AC 7214 was zipping along at 711kts for a few minutes while I was watching FR24 sometime between my earlier posts. I though it was a hiccup on the site.
Apr 27, 2020, 8:19 am
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Apr 27, 2020, 8:49 am
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(bolding mine)
And another one headed from LAX-SYD
Headwinds vs. tailwinds. If you look at 24left 's screen capture, the aircraft was travelling at 623 mph groundspeed. That is considerably faster than a 789's typical cruise speed of ~561 mph. If one were ot assume that speed to be representative of the overall flight and of the prevailing winds going the other way, it implies roughly 20% more fuel burn going westbound/southbound than eastbound/northbound.
IIRC AC used to sometimes have to make a tech stop going to Australia when they were flying the A343 from YVR.
IIRC AC used to sometimes have to make a tech stop going to Australia when they were flying the A343 from YVR.
And another one headed from LAX-SYD
Apr 27, 2020, 9:02 am
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TRW (Kiribati) - 2,384 miles from HNL and 2,819 miles from SYD
APW (Apia, Tokelau) - 2,598 miles from HNL and 2,688 miles from SYD
PPG (Pago Pago, American Samoa) - 2607 miles from HNL and 2,733 miles from SYD
NAN (Nadi, Fiji) - 3,162 miles from HNL and 1,970 miles from SYD
NOU (Noumea, New Caledonia) - 3,857 miles from HNL and 1,069 miles from SYD
Apr 27, 2020, 9:04 am
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Fascinating flight. One for the logbooks of the pilots involved.
And our supply of Tim Tams will be assured for a few more weeks.
Apr 27, 2020, 9:10 am
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Current airspeed is 898 km/h vs. over 1,000 in the other direction. So maybe only a bit over 10% difference in fuel consumption... still enough to make a difference on ULH that is at the limit of the aircraft's duration.
Wonder what needs urgent shipment between Canada and Australia. .
Wonder what needs urgent shipment between Canada and Australia. .
Apr 27, 2020, 9:28 am
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There is a perception that the Pacific Ocean is a vast empty space. While this is true between North America and Hawaii, once you are past Hawaii there are a number of places where an aircraft could land to refuel roughly along the trajectory such as:
TRW (Kiribati) - 2,384 miles from HNL and 2,819 miles from SYD
APW (Apia, Tokelau) - 2,598 miles from HNL and 2,688 miles from SYD
PPG (Pago Pago, American Samoa) - 2607 miles from HNL and 2,733 miles from SYD
NAN (Nadi, Fiji) - 3,162 miles from HNL and 1,970 miles from SYD
NOU (Noumea, New Caledonia) - 3,857 miles from HNL and 1,069 miles from SYD
TRW (Kiribati) - 2,384 miles from HNL and 2,819 miles from SYD
APW (Apia, Tokelau) - 2,598 miles from HNL and 2,688 miles from SYD
PPG (Pago Pago, American Samoa) - 2607 miles from HNL and 2,733 miles from SYD
NAN (Nadi, Fiji) - 3,162 miles from HNL and 1,970 miles from SYD
NOU (Noumea, New Caledonia) - 3,857 miles from HNL and 1,069 miles from SYD
Amazing they flew this non-stop knowing it's borderline with 789s maximum flying capacity.
Last edited by mileageking; Apr 27, 2020 at 9:37 am
Apr 27, 2020, 9:53 am
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She's over Lake Michigan and 45 minutes to go. Not a peep on AC or other Twitter pages. Maybe someone will get excited when she lands at YYZ.
Apr 27, 2020, 10:08 am
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Apr 27, 2020, 10:15 am
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Apr 27, 2020, 10:18 am
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This should be a tweet-worthy event for AC. Air Canada working hard, adapting to challenging times, setting new records, meet the crew, etc, etc.
As 24left is no doubt fond of saying, the copy almost writes itself.
As 24left is no doubt fond of saying, the copy almost writes itself.
Apr 27, 2020, 10:27 am
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Apr 27, 2020, 10:28 am
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Originally Posted by 24left
Not a peep on AC or other Twitter pages. Maybe someone will get excited when she lands at YYZ.
This flight has been all over the internet since its outbound leg.
Originally Posted by canopus27
Meanwhile, the 777-200LR (77L) has an even longer range ... according to the AC web site, it can go 17446 km (10840 m). That's far enough to go from YYZ-ADL nonstop. Quite a while to just hang in the air.
Originally Posted by canopus27
I don't think the 77L's have had their seats removed ... so if they were to fly that as a pure cargo flight and an empty mid deck, they might even be able to stretch from YYZ to PER