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AC Cargo-Only Flights (2020 onwards)

Old Apr 11, 2020, 8:58 pm
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Old Apr 11, 2020, 10:58 pm
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I'm guessing these planes would have to be hand loaded/unloaded? I didn't think the passenger doors were wide enough to be able to load a pallet with a pallet jack are they?
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Old Apr 11, 2020, 11:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Jagboi
I'm guessing these planes would have to be hand loaded/unloaded? I didn't think the passenger doors were wide enough to be able to load a pallet with a pallet jack are they?
From post 59:

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2020...kUtR87P5R-SzoM

The three Boeing 777-300ER aircraft are being converted by Avianor, an aircraft maintenance and cabin integration specialist, at its Montreal-Mirabel facility. Avianor developed a specific engineering solution to remove 422 passenger seats and designate cargo loading zones for light weight boxes containing medical equipment and restrained with cargo nets. This modification has been developed, produced and implemented within six days. All operations have been certified and approved by Transport Canada.
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Old Apr 12, 2020, 12:05 am
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Originally Posted by tcook052
From post 59:

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2020...kUtR87P5R-SzoM

The three Boeing 777-300ER aircraft are being converted by Avianor, an aircraft maintenance and cabin integration specialist, at its Montreal-Mirabel facility. Avianor developed a specific engineering solution to remove 422 passenger seats and designate cargo loading zones for light weight boxes containing medical equipment and restrained with cargo nets. This modification has been developed, produced and implemented within six days. All operations have been certified and approved by Transport Canada.
I didn't see anything in that that indicated if the cargo had to be loose boxes or could be multiple boxes on a standard shipping pallet. In other words, does each box need to be handled individually? Palletized cargo could still be restrained by netting, that's not unusual.
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Old Apr 12, 2020, 12:19 am
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Originally Posted by Jagboi
I didn't see anything in that that indicated if the cargo had to be loose boxes or could be multiple boxes on a standard shipping pallet. In other words, does each box need to be handled individually? Palletized cargo could still be restrained by netting, that's not unusual.
Do the three Boeing 777-300ER aircraft in question on have extra large doors to accommodate pallet cargo? I didn't think so but am willing to be corrected if wrong.
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Old Apr 12, 2020, 1:12 am
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Originally Posted by tcook052
Do the three Boeing 777-300ER aircraft in question on have extra large doors to accommodate pallet cargo? I didn't think so but am willing to be corrected if wrong.
I'm pretty sure they're just normal 77Ws with normal sized doors
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Old Apr 12, 2020, 3:52 am
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Originally Posted by Jagboi
I'm guessing these planes would have to be hand loaded/unloaded? I didn't think the passenger doors were wide enough to be able to load a pallet with a pallet jack are they?
Going off memory, I suspect that the door itself might be just wide enough (just mind the gap between the bridge and aircraft. But from the pictures it looks like AC/Avinor has kept the cabin dividers in place. So unless they are going to be removed, there is no way a pallet makes it through those openings.
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Old Apr 12, 2020, 7:12 am
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Without the reinforcing of the floors of the passenger deck they will still be nowhere close to the weight capacity of freighters, but Air Canada must be banking on the fact that increased revenue from cargo operations still outweigh the costs associated with stripping the seats/retrofitting and costs associated with TC approval.
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Old Apr 12, 2020, 7:18 am
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Originally Posted by meltedmarshmellow
Without the reinforcing of the floors of the passenger deck they will still be nowhere close to the weight capacity of freighters, but Air Canada must be banking on the fact that increased revenue from cargo operations still outweigh the costs associated with stripping the seats/retrofitting and costs associated with TC approval.
One of the articles I read made it clear that there is currently a high demand for relatively lightweight supplies - think masks, gowns, etc. Those would all be ideal on the main deck.
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Old Apr 12, 2020, 10:27 am
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No idea what the revised protocol will be. Much like the old 74M/74E Combi days, the front end crew will more than likely be required to do spot checks at prescribed intervals, and quite possibly see the addition of larger halon extinguishers in addition to the existing hand-held ones.
Cathay is using some of their 77Ws for cargo-only flights, although they have elected to keep their seats and other cabins furnishings in place. They are required to have crew aboard in the cabin to detect fire, fight the fire and update the flight deck in the event of fire. I'm not sure what AC company or Transport regulations require here, but it would seem to be prudent to follow the same course.
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Old Apr 12, 2020, 12:43 pm
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Interesting to note from the Instagram post that "These reconfigured 77Ws can now carry 89 tonnes of freight".

Meanwhile, the AC fleet page (https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...ard/fleet.html) shows that the 77W's have a Cargo Capacity of 23024 kg (50759 lb).

By my math, that translates into 23 tonnes of capacity ... meaning that the removal of the seats (contributing to both a weight reduction, and adding additional space) has almost quadrupled the cargo capacity!

I'm surprised the increase was that much.
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Old Apr 12, 2020, 1:16 pm
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Originally Posted by canopus27
Interesting to note from the Instagram post that "These reconfigured 77Ws can now carry 89 tonnes of freight".

Meanwhile, the AC fleet page (https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...ard/fleet.html) shows that the 77W's have a Cargo Capacity of 23024 kg (50759 lb).

By my math, that translates into 23 tonnes of capacity ... meaning that the removal of the seats (contributing to both a weight reduction, and adding additional space) has almost quadrupled the cargo capacity!

I'm surprised the increase was that much.
I suspect the figures on the fleet page are for typical or max passenger + bags onboard. With those out of the picture a significant increase makes sense.
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Old Apr 12, 2020, 2:29 pm
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Originally Posted by CZAMFlyer
Cathay is using some of their 77Ws for cargo-only flights, although they have elected to keep their seats and other cabins furnishings in place. They are required to have crew aboard in the cabin to detect fire, fight the fire and update the flight deck in the event of fire. I'm not sure what AC company or Transport regulations require here, but it would seem to be prudent to follow the same course.
In the case of AC, there is probably almost no cost to having extra staff on the flight. They have their FA on staff (due the wage subsidy), only issue is if they stay home or come in to work to monitor the freight in flight.

One of the other issues that can not be overlooked is some of the charter customers would be the Canadian government. After the suspected diversion of N95 masks enroute from China to Germany I suspect having medical equipment fly on Canadian flagged aircraft is critical to the government. That leaves AC and CargoJet. Perhaps WestJet can do the same with its 787s.
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Old Apr 12, 2020, 5:02 pm
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I suspect the figures on the fleet page are for typical or max passenger + bags onboard. With those out of the picture a significant increase makes sense.
Oh, I'm sure that's true ... but even so ... that's 66 tonnes of additional capacity.

Just more than I was expecting.
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Old Apr 12, 2020, 5:22 pm
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Originally Posted by canopus27
Oh, I'm sure that's true ... but even so ... that's 66 tonnes of additional capacity.
Just more than I was expecting.
450 passengers @ 240 pounds/passenger (including seat, catering) is 50 tonnes. Normal checked baggage is easily another 10-15t on such flights. Makes perfect sense to me.
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