Will Air Canada Cancel a Reservation if I Buy Two Flights?
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Just overheard an example of this when I was dealing with an agent. Woman to my right was complaining because 2 bookings she had were "There this morning". AC spontaneously cancelled one booking and then cancelled the remaining flight.
She was quite perturbed b/c this was "precisely why she made 2 bookings" she informed everyone in a 2 gate radius.
Further twist, it sounded like she booked a redundant second leg, given fragments of the conversation.
She was quite perturbed b/c this was "precisely why she made 2 bookings" she informed everyone in a 2 gate radius.
Further twist, it sounded like she booked a redundant second leg, given fragments of the conversation.
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I had two latitude tickets from FLL-YYZ back in January on the 4:30 and 9:20pm flights. I didn’t know which flight I would need to take for work reasons. Ended up taking the 4:30 flight, the agent laughed at me because the later one was confirmed in J while the earlier one was not, but she didn’t seem to have an issue with it. She asked if I would like her to cancel it and I said I would deal with it myself. I cancelled the later one myself when pushing back from the gate.
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Further pulling at the string, maybe load factor is one of the triggers for the cancellation bots to activate? In this case flight A was dropped, so flight B is likely to get full very quickly. Clearing space might be the first step in the contingency program. Clearly she didn't make the first cut of passengers reassigned to flight B.
If flight A and B are both half full, likely AC don't care if you cancel one last minute.
If flight A and B are both half full, likely AC don't care if you cancel one last minute.
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Further pulling at the string, maybe load factor is one of the triggers for the cancellation bots to activate? In this case flight A was dropped, so flight B is likely to get full very quickly. Clearing space might be the first step in the contingency program. Clearly she didn't make the first cut of passengers reassigned to flight B.
If flight A and B are both half full, likely AC don't care if you cancel one last minute.
If flight A and B are both half full, likely AC don't care if you cancel one last minute.
SFO-YYZ goes up around $40 per fare class (within a brand), 2 months out. It wouldn't take too many duplicate bookings to push the price up $100, such that someone might opt for a competitor.
#170
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Holding a 2nd ticket on a connecting flight?
I have booked the following round trip journey booked in economy:
Departure: YYZ - FRA - ZAG
Return: ZAG - AMS - YYZ
The departure leg is done. The return is operated by Croatia airlines and Air Canada.
There are no award redemptions to match the full return leg, however, I can book the AMS - YYZ trip on the same day in J for a reasonable amount of Aeroplan points.
Is it possible to hold 2 tickets and scan both boarding passes for the AC AMS-YYZ leg? If not, can customer service "merge" the award booking to replace the economy ticket on the existing itinerary?
Departure: YYZ - FRA - ZAG
Return: ZAG - AMS - YYZ
The departure leg is done. The return is operated by Croatia airlines and Air Canada.
There are no award redemptions to match the full return leg, however, I can book the AMS - YYZ trip on the same day in J for a reasonable amount of Aeroplan points.
Is it possible to hold 2 tickets and scan both boarding passes for the AC AMS-YYZ leg? If not, can customer service "merge" the award booking to replace the economy ticket on the existing itinerary?
Last edited by Adam Smith; May 13, 2023 at 8:12 am Reason: Fixed formatting
#171
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I have booked the following round trip journey booked in economy:
Departure: YYZ - FRA - ZAG
Return: ZAG - AMS - YYZ
The departure leg is done. The return is operated by Croatia airlines and Air Canada.
There are no award redemptions to match the full return leg, however, I can book the AMS - YYZ trip on the same day in J for a reasonable amount of Aeroplan points.
Is it possible to hold 2 tickets and scan both boarding passes for the AC AMS-YYZ leg? If not, can customer service "merge" the award booking to replace the economy ticket on the existing itinerary?
Departure: YYZ - FRA - ZAG
Return: ZAG - AMS - YYZ
The departure leg is done. The return is operated by Croatia airlines and Air Canada.
There are no award redemptions to match the full return leg, however, I can book the AMS - YYZ trip on the same day in J for a reasonable amount of Aeroplan points.
Is it possible to hold 2 tickets and scan both boarding passes for the AC AMS-YYZ leg? If not, can customer service "merge" the award booking to replace the economy ticket on the existing itinerary?
And no, separate bookings can’t be “merged” like that.
Last edited by Adam Smith; May 13, 2023 at 8:13 am Reason: Fixed formatting
#172
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Booking different last leg
Im Scheduled on a flight Vancouver-Toronto Toronto-Frankfurt Frankfurt-Rome. Is it okay if I decide to go Frankfurt-venice instead (only carryon). I would be booked on 2 flights at same time and I have read the computer will cancel both flights. This is a one way ticket. I have another one way ticket return.
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Im Scheduled on a flight Vancouver-Toronto Toronto-Frankfurt Frankfurt-Rome. Is it okay if I decide to go Frankfurt-venice instead (only carryon). I would be booked on 2 flights at same time and I have read the computer will cancel both flights. This is a one way ticket. I have another one way ticket return.
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Im Scheduled on a flight Vancouver-Toronto Toronto-Frankfurt Frankfurt-Rome. Is it okay if I decide to go Frankfurt-venice instead (only carryon). I would be booked on 2 flights at same time and I have read the computer will cancel both flights. This is a one way ticket. I have another one way ticket return.
My guess is @Brendacruise has booked this through Aeroplan, in which case AC will absolutely be aware of it.
FRA-VCE and FRA-FCO will both be on LH. The interesting question is even if FRA-VCE is ticketed by LH as you've hypothesised, since (a) LH is the operator of both segments, and/or (b) both AC and LH are on Amadeus, and will it get flagged and possibly cancelled by one airline or the other? I think there's a good chance it will, in either case.
Last edited by Adam Smith; Jun 3, 2023 at 4:20 pm Reason: Clarification
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There's a reasonable likelihood that one of these tickets will be cancelled if they're both booked through AC and have the same passenger on them. And you won't be able to predict or control which gets cancelled.
My guess is @Brendacruise has booked this through Aeroplan, in which case AC will absolutely be aware of it.
My guess is @Brendacruise has booked this through Aeroplan, in which case AC will absolutely be aware of it.
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I've got an Aeroplan redemption on SQ and due to volatile travel plans, would like to book a revenue flexible J ticket on the same date on Air Canada. Routings are very different (SQ is an Asia to Europe award while the revenue ticket would be Asia to Canada). Obviously SQ will have no knowledge of the AC ticket, but would AC cancel one of these tickets since my AP number will be on both bookings departing on the same date?
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I have never had a case where a flight was cancelled by anyone other than the operating airline, but that's no guarantee.
#178
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I made two overlapping bookings last week, a non-stop flight from AC, a second PNR (two segments, UA then AC) from UA. I put my AC FF on both. Today, I noticed that the UA segment on the UA booking was absent from that PNR. The AC segment was still there - none of the segments overlapped in time with the AC PNR, but the UA segment and the non-stop AC segment were close and definitely impossible to fly.
I preferred the stop for extra SQM, so I called UA. Agent went away, and came back saying the segment was cancelled because I had a conflicting itinerary. She was very helpful and said that she could reinstate the segment if I cancelled the other flight, and waited on the phone while I went and cancelled the AC PNR. A minute later, she had my UA PNR restored to as I had booked it, and waited on the phone while I confirmed that it was done.
I preferred the stop for extra SQM, so I called UA. Agent went away, and came back saying the segment was cancelled because I had a conflicting itinerary. She was very helpful and said that she could reinstate the segment if I cancelled the other flight, and waited on the phone while I went and cancelled the AC PNR. A minute later, she had my UA PNR restored to as I had booked it, and waited on the phone while I confirmed that it was done.
#179
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I have flights from YUL to the Caribbean booked on points for March 9 to 16, a Saturday to Saturday. My SO now has to work that week so I'll be cancelling those flights, but to save $800 I want to wait until I hit SE later this year. Meanwhile, kids and I would like to fly to YYC instead for skiing. If we book March 9 to 16 the dates would clash, it would be impossible to fly both itineraries. I'm wondering if I booked the YUL-YYC flight from, say, the 7th to the 14th, would that still be a clash in AC's eyes? Obviously the itineraries would still be flyable, we'd just have to get back from YYC to YUL on the 8th, and back from the Caribbean to YYC on the 13th, which could be done by other means.
Challenge is I can't get free cancellations until November when I hit SE but want to book on points before the price shoots up, so wondering if there's a way to finesse that. Any insights appreciated, thanks.
Challenge is I can't get free cancellations until November when I hit SE but want to book on points before the price shoots up, so wondering if there's a way to finesse that. Any insights appreciated, thanks.
#180
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Maybe when you are very close to Super elite status call in and see if an agent will waive the fee. You'd have to tell them how many SQD, SQM's you have and give them a current booking to prove that you will hit that status soon.
Otherwise not much else you can do.