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Information below is based on the fleet plan reported in the latest fleet update in the quarterly MD&A, (currently 2025-Q4 [English PDF]) with updates based on information from planespotters.net, press releases, and other sources. Please expand the "Spoilers" section that the bottom of the wiki to see latest updates. This spreadsheet contains data on AC's fleet back to 2005, and includes numerous charts that detail the evolution of various types in the fleet from then until the present.


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Old Nov 6, 2025 | 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith

"Glowing Hearts" or "Glowing Hearted"

There's no brand consistency now, and there's no plan to have any going forward. Not to the level you're talking about.
Do we know which it is for sure? Is Glowing Hearts a reference to the Canadian National Anthem?

With regard to brand consistency, it's clear that they have put the 'metal in the air to meet the schedule' ahead of the damage to the brand that results from taking that action. Really quite shameful and in fact shows poor planning as they have to seemingly compromise one for the other.
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Old Nov 6, 2025 | 2:01 pm
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Originally Posted by billdokes
Do we know which it is for sure? Is Glowing Hearts a reference to the Canadian National Anthem?
From Investor day 2024:
New Glowing Hearted design standard will elevate the customer experience throughout the entire journey
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Old Nov 6, 2025 | 7:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Codyul
From Investor day 2024:
New Glowing Hearted design standard will elevate the customer experience throughout the entire journey
Sigh... Another elevator BS...

But my my flight left 90 minutes late today. An elevating experience.
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Old Nov 6, 2025 | 10:13 pm
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Originally Posted by briguychau
Presumably more A220/A320/A321 flying on domestic routes out of YVR. The 2024 Investor Day slide deck has a rough idea of what Rouge routes will operate out of YVR - Hawaii, Alaska, Mexico, and some more "leisure" US routes like SNA. But it doesn't have SFO/LAX like the original YVR Rouge operations did in 2014.
Perhaps YYJ, YLW to YYZ and YUL. Comox to YYC/YEG or even YYZ.
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Old Nov 6, 2025 | 10:23 pm
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Old Nov 7, 2025 | 5:25 am
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Originally Posted by Stranger
Sigh... Another elevator BS...

But my my flight left 90 minutes late today. An elevating experience.
If it makes you feel any better it was utter chaos yesterday so many flights were several hours delayed. Poor guy doing the tower and ground past midnight was working nonstop during 'quiet' hours
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Old Nov 7, 2025 | 8:51 am
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Looking at the wiki, I see the Jazz DH4 fleet undergoing a 34% reduction, or 13 aircraft.
Thinking of regional BC where most of my journeys begin and end, that can only mean a significant reduction in flight frequency and/or airports served.

I recall a number of years ago that AC used Central Mountain Air to serve smaller communities such as YYF with a B1900
Do the Fleetmaster's here envision AC utilizing the likes of CMA again as they pare back the DH4 fleet?
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Old Nov 7, 2025 | 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by taupo
Looking at the wiki, I see the Jazz DH4 fleet undergoing a 34% reduction, or 13 aircraft.
Thinking of regional BC where most of my journeys begin and end, that can only mean a significant reduction in flight frequency and/or airports served.

I recall a number of years ago that AC used Central Mountain Air to serve smaller communities such as YYF with a B1900
Do the Fleetmaster's here envision AC utilizing the likes of CMA again as they pare back the DH4 fleet?
PAL is now operating many AC Express flights in QC & Eastern Canada. This may explain why Jazz needs fewer fins
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Old Nov 7, 2025 | 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by taupo
Looking at the wiki, I see the Jazz DH4 fleet undergoing a 34% reduction, or 13 aircraft.
Thinking of regional BC where most of my journeys begin and end, that can only mean a significant reduction in flight frequency and/or airports served.

I recall a number of years ago that AC used Central Mountain Air to serve smaller communities such as YYF with a B1900
Do the Fleetmaster's here envision AC utilizing the likes of CMA again as they pare back the DH4 fleet?
The Heart Aerospace ES-30 in theory could replace some of them on the shortest regional BC routes.
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Old Nov 7, 2025 | 9:17 am
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Originally Posted by PLeblond
PAL is now operating many AC Express flights in QC & Eastern Canada.
On some of the grungiest, most ancient birds you'll see in 2025.
Symmetre and YSJ8ed like this.
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Old Nov 7, 2025 | 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by taupo
Looking at the wiki, I see the Jazz DH4 fleet undergoing a 34% reduction, or 13 aircraft.
Thinking of regional BC where most of my journeys begin and end, that can only mean a significant reduction in flight frequency and/or airports served.

I recall a number of years ago that AC used Central Mountain Air to serve smaller communities such as YYF with a B1900
Do the Fleetmaster's here envision AC utilizing the likes of CMA again as they pare back the DH4 fleet?
25 will undergo refit, there's a non-zero chance the "surplus" fins will simply transfer to PAL and continue operating for Air Canada Express in Eastern Canada. Jazz is likely to disappear from Eastern Canada except for routes to and from YTZ/YYZ.
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Old Nov 7, 2025 | 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by miniborder
On some of the grungiest, most ancient birds you'll see in 2025.
Flew them in late September YDF-YHU. I love me a prop so I really enjoyed the flight.
I miss the Beech 1900s...well at least those with a lav.
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Old Nov 7, 2025 | 4:41 pm
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Originally Posted by taupo
Looking at the wiki, I see the Jazz DH4 fleet undergoing a 34% reduction, or 13 aircraft.
Thinking of regional BC where most of my journeys begin and end, that can only mean a significant reduction in flight frequency and/or airports served.
I'm not so sure we'll see anything significant. There should be room for Jazz to reallocate some DH4 flying to CR9/E75, and for AC to reallocate routes between Jazz/Mainline/Rouge.

I did a very rough estimate of how the current DH4 fleet is allocated:
  • West: 18
  • Billy Bishop: 7
  • Ontario/Quebec: 7
  • East: 7 (All PAL)
  • Parked 4 (Jazz - likely never to return)
Combined AC Express will shed a net 6 DH4 FINs in 2026, but Jazz is dropping 11 (5 of which go to PAL). The remaining 25 Jazz FINs will get their cabin refresh/WiFi.
Unless current utilization is low, they'll need to allocate, say... 5(?) more DH4s for the YTZ expansion.

Speculation 1 - fleet shuffling:
  1. Jazz moves 5 FINs from Ontario/Quebec regional to YTZ, and another 5 FINs to PAL
  2. PAL picks up much of Jazz's Ontario/Quebec flying
  3. AC tweaks the YTZ/YYZ transborder flying, allowing Jazz to reallocate a some CR9/E75 hours to Ontario/Quebec regional.
  4. In the West:
    1. Some Jazz CR9 transborder will go to mainline A220s (21 deliveries in next 15 months) and Rouge 7M8s (this has already started)
    2. Some YVR to Portland, Kelowna, Fort St. John, Prince George can go from DH4 to CR9s. (CR9 has operated plenty of YVR to YYJ and SEA this year already)
Speculation 2 - new DH4 allocation:
  • West: 13 (Refurbished Jazz)
  • Billy Bishop: 12 (Refurbished Jazz)
  • Ontario/Quebec: 5 (PAL)
  • East: 7 (PAL)

Originally Posted by justinyvr
The Heart Aerospace ES-30 in theory could replace some of them on the shortest regional BC routes.
I read that the extreme cold temperatures reduces their range, so perhaps we'll see most of the ES-30s in BC.

Stated range in hybrid mode is 800kms with 25 pax, so easily YVR to Victoria, Nanaimo, Comox, (Long Beach?), Kelowna, Kamloops, Seattle, Portland.
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Old Nov 7, 2025 | 5:50 pm
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Originally Posted by justinyvr
The Heart Aerospace ES-30 in theory could replace some of them on the shortest regional BC routes.
And in theory I could marry Anna Kendrick.

In practice, AC has as much chance of flying an ES-30 in the 2020s as I do of getting together with her.

(All AC FT regulars are invited to the wedding if I do though )

Even if the ES-30 doesn't turn out to be pure vaporware, AC has not only gotten out of the 19- (BEH) and 37-seat (DH1) markets, it's now out of the 50-seat (DH3/CRJ) market and pulling back in the 76/78-seat (CR9/E75/DH4) segment because the economics aren't good. Barring some massive government subsidy, operating a 30-seat aircraft with extremely high operating costs isn't going to be any better.
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Old Nov 10, 2025 | 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
Even if the ES-30 doesn't turn out to be pure vaporware, AC has not only gotten out of the 19- (BEH) and 37-seat (DH1) markets, it's now out of the 50-seat (DH3/CRJ) market and pulling back in the 76/78-seat (CR9/E75/DH4) segment because the economics aren't good. Barring some massive government subsidy, operating a 30-seat aircraft with extremely high operating costs isn't going to be any better.
We'll know if it is serious or not if, in the next 12-15 months we hear about major maintenance and charging infrastructure investments in YVR and regional destinations.
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