Packed lounges
Aug 25, 2015, 9:51 am
#77
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If you think the lounge is too busy, nothing is stopping you from eating at a restaurant outside the lounge.
Aug 25, 2015, 9:55 am
#78
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I will make a special effort to be there to take photos.
Yes, and the universe is full of other people who believe everyone is equal.
FF programs are just another class-based society in which many of us participate.
If someone doesn't like the class status or doesn't like the "society" they don't have to participate.
IMHO.
Aug 25, 2015, 10:22 am
#79
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Totally 100% agree. Just like the eUp credit rules, if you don't like the rules, don't play the game.
Aug 25, 2015, 10:40 am
#80
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I encourage people to get an AMEX Plat or the PP membership to allow yourself, where possible, access to true tranquility. (e.g. the PPL).
I do not enter a MLL unless there is not a PPL. 1) I hate the food in a MLL 2) I hate the density of the MLL and 3) I hate the worn out furniture of the MLL. And oh, one more, 4) I hate the lounge dragons at YYZ (the other ones in Canada are hit and miss)
I hate MLL's if that wasn't obvious
So, I don't enter them. It's like UA clubs. I don't set foot anymore in them. I'd rather go look at a pretty lady at a bar. 
- rather than a UA bartender DRAGON. 
Aug 25, 2015, 10:45 am
#81
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Agreed.
I encourage people to get an AMEX Plat or the PP membership to allow yourself, where possible, access to true tranquility. (e.g. the PPL).
I do not enter a MLL unless there is not a PPL. 1) I hate the food in a MLL 2) I hate the density of the MLL and 3) I hate the worn out furniture of the MLL. And oh, one more, 4) I hate the lounge dragons at YYZ (the other ones in Canada are hit and miss)
I hate MLL's if that wasn't obvious So, I don't enter them. It's like UA clubs. I don't set foot anymore in them. I'd rather go look at a pretty lady at a bar. - rather than a UA bartender DRAGON.
I encourage people to get an AMEX Plat or the PP membership to allow yourself, where possible, access to true tranquility. (e.g. the PPL).
I do not enter a MLL unless there is not a PPL. 1) I hate the food in a MLL 2) I hate the density of the MLL and 3) I hate the worn out furniture of the MLL. And oh, one more, 4) I hate the lounge dragons at YYZ (the other ones in Canada are hit and miss)
I hate MLL's if that wasn't obvious
So, I don't enter them. It's like UA clubs. I don't set foot anymore in them. I'd rather go look at a pretty lady at a bar. - rather than a UA bartender DRAGON.
Aug 25, 2015, 10:49 am
#82
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Agreed.
I encourage people to get an AMEX Plat or the PP membership to allow yourself, where possible, access to true tranquility. (e.g. the PPL).
I do not enter a MLL unless there is not a PPL. 1) I hate the food in a MLL 2) I hate the density of the MLL and 3) I hate the worn out furniture of the MLL. And oh, one more, 4) I hate the lounge dragons at YYZ (the other ones in Canada are hit and miss)
I hate MLL's if that wasn't obvious So, I don't enter them. It's like UA clubs. I don't set foot anymore in them. I'd rather go look at a pretty lady at a bar. - rather than a UA bartender DRAGON.
I encourage people to get an AMEX Plat or the PP membership to allow yourself, where possible, access to true tranquility. (e.g. the PPL).
I do not enter a MLL unless there is not a PPL. 1) I hate the food in a MLL 2) I hate the density of the MLL and 3) I hate the worn out furniture of the MLL. And oh, one more, 4) I hate the lounge dragons at YYZ (the other ones in Canada are hit and miss)
I hate MLL's if that wasn't obvious
So, I don't enter them. It's like UA clubs. I don't set foot anymore in them. I'd rather go look at a pretty lady at a bar. - rather than a UA bartender DRAGON. By contrast, the MLL offerings are more plentiful and varied . Perhaps my long absence from those lounges may be part of my perception.
SAP, self policing yourself out of MLL ?? One more seat for someone else
Aug 25, 2015, 11:05 am
#83
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Place a time limit on how long an entrant is able to spend in the lounge.
As someone who never spends more than 20-30 mins tops in the MLL, I get the feeling there are a not insignificant number of people who for whatever reason (flight delayed, long connection, or just plain nothing better to do) seem to like to set up camp and LIVE in the lounge for hours at a time.
A simple way to enforce this would be to bar entry to anyone who is >2hrs prior to departure time.
As someone who never spends more than 20-30 mins tops in the MLL, I get the feeling there are a not insignificant number of people who for whatever reason (flight delayed, long connection, or just plain nothing better to do) seem to like to set up camp and LIVE in the lounge for hours at a time.
A simple way to enforce this would be to bar entry to anyone who is >2hrs prior to departure time.
Aug 25, 2015, 11:10 am
#84
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Unless you're a UA Club member or hold the proper UA branded credit card, you would not receive lounge access on the purely domestic itinerary you've posted. Only premium fare access for purely domestic flights are those on PS designated flights between JFK(soon EWR) and either SFO or LAX. No others (even at originating airport if you are starting out someplace other than JFK/EWR or LAX/SFO). However, if there's an international segment (which includes Canada) then UC Club access would be available at all airports with such clubs, or STAR lounges. To access lounges with solely domestic itineraries as a STARGold, you'd have to that status in any program but MP.
Aug 25, 2015, 11:21 am
#85
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PPL lounge has been much busier than not lately at YYZ domestic. Many pilots, co-pilots and FAs . Usually find a place to sit. Food offerings seem to have become more Spartan recently.
By contrast, the MLL offerings are more plentiful and varied . Perhaps my long absence from those lounges may be part of my perception.
SAP, self policing yourself out of MLL ?? One more seat for someone else
By contrast, the MLL offerings are more plentiful and varied . Perhaps my long absence from those lounges may be part of my perception.
SAP, self policing yourself out of MLL ?? One more seat for someone else
Aug 25, 2015, 11:21 am
#86
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I read this thread, and found it to be very useless. I encourage you to compare the comment of each author with their respective AC status. It can be summarized as the following: each author simply cares about his/her own interests, and some are extremely oblivious. Let's not forget that those who are now S100K were E50K/E75K(or equivalent, known as AC*E prior to 2012). Why should E75K and E50K suffer when you had an easy access to lounges when you were an AC*E?
Aug 25, 2015, 11:47 am
#88
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Seriously, the limited capacity of the lounge is no different from a flight. If the flight is sold out, it is sold out. Seats are sold on a first come first get basis.
Just because one is a SE should not be more entitled to enter than someone who is not.
If a flight is sold out and the SE could not book a seat on J or Tango, how upset should the SE be? If the lounge is filled up, it's filled up. If the flight is sold out, it's sold out. What's the difference?
Just because one is a SE should not be more entitled to enter than someone who is not.
If a flight is sold out and the SE could not book a seat on J or Tango, how upset should the SE be? If the lounge is filled up, it's filled up. If the flight is sold out, it's sold out. What's the difference?
But that IS a good idea for lounges
And what do you consider "first come first serve"? I bought my ticket before you bought yours, so I should get in the lounge, regardless of what time we show up there?
Hmmm. Interesting. I was on a P fare YYZ-ORD-SFO return. I was able to enter the United Club at ORD both ways. This was how it was explained to me unless the YYZ origination and return destination played a role. I used the Plaza Premium Lounge at YYZ and the Amex lounge at SFO. Didn't bother to try the MLL at YYZ and UC at SFO.
Anyway, I guess I'm glad I don't fly during heavy business travel times. The last time I was in a crowded MLL was YYZ transborder on a Tuesday morning. It's so much more peaceful when I fly.
Aug 25, 2015, 12:02 pm
#89
Join Date: Feb 2005
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In some places, there isn't really much of a choice when flying *A (i.e. SFO has no PP lounges, and I will not go to T5 from T1 to use the AF/Swissport lounge in ORD), and I would rather enter the UA lounge in LHR than the PP lounge (admittedly, I would rather enter the LH lounge over the UA lounge, and >90% of my flying out of LHR is from T3/T5.)
At SFO, if one has a Amex Plat or Centurion, one may use the Amex lounge at T3.
Aug 25, 2015, 12:07 pm
#90
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No, if the flight is sold out in J or Tango and a SE wants to book a seat in either J or Tango on that sold out flight, he/she will not be able to do so.
I am not talking about a SE and a non-status both holding confirmed reservation on an oversold flight.
And what do you consider "first come first serve"? I bought my ticket before you bought yours, so I should get in the lounge, regardless of what time we show up there?
If the capacity is 50 seats in the MLL, those seats will be on a first come first get basis. If unfortunately the SE is the 51st to arrive at the lounge and is full, it's too bad. The same applies to all those who are eligible to use the lounge. Whoever arrives first, gets the remaining seat.