Dog in the MLL
Jan 16, 2015, 6:57 pm
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In this case, it is a simple answer: it is a health code violation. Love, or hate, for dogs (or cats) doesn't matter. Allergies don't matter. The lounge staff should have just made the request once and then called airport security and told her she wouldn't be allowed to fly. Simple. It isn't personal, it isn't based on somebody's feelings, it doesn't matter if she is the most responsible dog owner in the world. If it isn't a service animal, it isn't allowed. Done.
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Jan 16, 2015, 7:09 pm
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In this case, it is a simple answer: it is a health code violation. Love, or hate, for dogs (or cats) doesn't matter. Allergies don't matter. The lounge staff should have just made the request once and then called airport security and told her she wouldn't be allowed to fly. Simple. It isn't personal, it isn't based on somebody's feelings, it doesn't matter if she is the most responsible dog owner in the world. If it isn't a service animal, it isn't allowed. Done.
Jan 16, 2015, 7:13 pm
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We (Left and Right) are firm believers that chocolate is best for emotional support. 
That said, I stated in my opening post that she was told by the lounge attendants to put the dog in the carrier. She refused.
Also I agree that many humans are much dirtier than many animals but public places eg restaurants are subject to health code regulations that private homes are not.
BTW, I spoke with a number of cabin crew on recent flights re this issue and none of them are happy with pets, pigs, donkeys etc in the cabin. Also heard that one dog got loose and ran through the cabin. Fun for all.
That said, I stated in my opening post that she was told by the lounge attendants to put the dog in the carrier. She refused.
Also I agree that many humans are much dirtier than many animals but public places eg restaurants are subject to health code regulations that private homes are not.
BTW, I spoke with a number of cabin crew on recent flights re this issue and none of them are happy with pets, pigs, donkeys etc in the cabin. Also heard that one dog got loose and ran through the cabin. Fun for all.
Jan 16, 2015, 7:16 pm
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Now, because I don't die, there are things that I can do to mitigate the biological responses that our 4 legged friends cause. Do they mitigate all of them? No, but they make it less painful. I am, and I don't think any people here disagree with me, happy/proud/would welcome the slight inconvenience it would cause if the animal served a purpose to someone who needs the animal to...well, survive in some cases.
My inconvenience for their mobility/quality of life - ok, definitely willing to suffer. Woofie, the 4 legged friend of the family whose owner is not following the rules. Well, I have an issue with woofie, because woofie is causing me to have a bad day and is, in my opinion, not essential to that person's survivability. I'm sure it's a loving member of the family blah blah, but there's a key difference.
To those that say to mind their own business, well, I can't, my body doesn't let me. I find it selfish in the case of people who let their pets run free. Why don't I return the favor, if you're selfish (not directing this at anyone) and you (again, not directed at you) don't care about my sensitivities, would you mind if I blew my nose on top of your dog? Or even better, you? You'd be inconv. me, i'd return the favor. (gosh I hope humankind never gets to this point)
Anyways, I think that service animals are completely different than just "the friendly pet". That's my point, no hostility intended, just my Canadian $0.02, ever being devalued more and more vs the USD.
PS I love penguins (duhh). If I could, I'd have one follow me around all day, and I wouldn't take it to the PP, I'd take it to the MLL. I'd let it run wild and let it squawk all day, while it poops on everyone. Doesn't that sound selfish? It sure does to me. I mean, who would want a penguin caged? That'd make me a sad penguin
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Jan 16, 2015, 7:48 pm
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Forgive me for taking a contrary view.
The underlying premise (that this is a pet or a "fake" service animal) is a large assumption. As an uninterested observer I cannot know. Further, I cannot say that the subject of this photo has not made the proper arrangements and is not acting within her rights.
Irrespective of that, unless the animal was drinking my beer, why would I care to intervene. These things are between the passenger concerned and the airline.
If I have my own disability (such as an animal allergy), it's my responsibility to inform the airline with some confidence that I'll be accommodated. AC, while far from perfect, is better than most with this.
As a passenger, if I want the airline to insulate me from others who merely irritate my sensibilities (pets, children, drunks, tea-totalers, hippies, or whatever) then I'm clearly unsuited to anything other than private aviation.
I frequently accompany a person with a disability in public. I am often stunned at the assumptions people make and the insensitive or outright mean comments they feel entitled to direct at me and my companion.
My advice is say "nice dog, enjoy your flight." You'll feel a better person for doing so.
The underlying premise (that this is a pet or a "fake" service animal) is a large assumption. As an uninterested observer I cannot know. Further, I cannot say that the subject of this photo has not made the proper arrangements and is not acting within her rights.
Irrespective of that, unless the animal was drinking my beer, why would I care to intervene. These things are between the passenger concerned and the airline.
If I have my own disability (such as an animal allergy), it's my responsibility to inform the airline with some confidence that I'll be accommodated. AC, while far from perfect, is better than most with this.
As a passenger, if I want the airline to insulate me from others who merely irritate my sensibilities (pets, children, drunks, tea-totalers, hippies, or whatever) then I'm clearly unsuited to anything other than private aviation.
I frequently accompany a person with a disability in public. I am often stunned at the assumptions people make and the insensitive or outright mean comments they feel entitled to direct at me and my companion.
My advice is say "nice dog, enjoy your flight." You'll feel a better person for doing so.
I like dogs and have one but would never think of inflicting my dog on anyone.
I wonder if you ...BlueMilk...would feel the same way if this "lady" brought her pet snake on board. Using your logic, no difference in how you react.
Jan 16, 2015, 7:48 pm
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We (Left and Right) are firm believers that chocolate is best for emotional support.
That said, I stated in my opening post that she was told by the lounge attendants to put the dog in the carrier. She refused.
Also I agree that many humans are much dirtier than many animals but public places eg restaurants are subject to health code regulations that private homes are not.
BTW, I spoke with a number of cabin crew on recent flights re this issue and none of them are happy with pets, pigs, donkeys etc in the cabin. Also heard that one dog got loose and ran through the cabin. Fun for all.
That said, I stated in my opening post that she was told by the lounge attendants to put the dog in the carrier. She refused.
Also I agree that many humans are much dirtier than many animals but public places eg restaurants are subject to health code regulations that private homes are not.
BTW, I spoke with a number of cabin crew on recent flights re this issue and none of them are happy with pets, pigs, donkeys etc in the cabin. Also heard that one dog got loose and ran through the cabin. Fun for all.
Jan 17, 2015, 12:06 am
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Right!!! And I guess you would feel the same way sitting next to a dog, especially if it barked continuously, maybe licking your face.
I like dogs and have one but would never think of inflicting my dog on anyone.
I wonder if you ...BlueMilk...would feel the same way if this "lady" brought her pet snake on board. Using your logic, no difference in how you react.
I like dogs and have one but would never think of inflicting my dog on anyone.
I wonder if you ...BlueMilk...would feel the same way if this "lady" brought her pet snake on board. Using your logic, no difference in how you react.
You are correct to call me out though...I'd object to most creatures licking my face during a flight. Though, to be honest, I'm more likely to tolerate a dog doing so than a human.
Jan 17, 2015, 11:20 am
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In this case, it is a simple answer: it is a health code violation. Love, or hate, for dogs (or cats) doesn't matter. Allergies don't matter. The lounge staff should have just made the request once and then called airport security and told her she wouldn't be allowed to fly. Simple. It isn't personal, it isn't based on somebody's feelings, it doesn't matter if she is the most responsible dog owner in the world. If it isn't a service animal, it isn't allowed. Done.
Nov 1, 2017, 8:49 am
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Preusmably it is as it got past the entry dragons. I'm assuming it's a support animal of some sort, for a disability or emotional.
Nov 1, 2017, 8:49 am
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Nov 1, 2017, 8:52 am
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