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FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement")

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Old Sep 5, 19, 8:42 am
  #976  
 
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Originally Posted by Smiley90 View Post
I mentioned this in the other thread, but Japan forbids collecting YQ on flights to/from Japan, if you have a >24hrs stay in Japan. So that drops all the AC and OZ YQ, except for ZRH-YVR
I don't know if this is considered LOW or not, but my colleague has booked a routing with a 1 week stopover in Tokyo, then to Singapore as the turnaround also for a week. The return leg goes through ICN for a few days stopover. The longhaul flights are from YYZ-HND and ICN-YYZ. Taxes were almost $700. We were expecting taxes to be lower. Maybe the stopover in ICN broke the Japan rules for low taxes?
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Old Sep 5, 19, 9:25 am
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Originally Posted by WKnight View Post
I don't know if this is considered LOW or not, but my colleague has booked a routing with a 1 week stopover in Tokyo, then to Singapore as the turnaround also for a week. The return leg goes through ICN for a few days stopover. The longhaul flights are from YYZ-HND and ICN-YYZ. Taxes were almost $700. We were expecting taxes to be lower. Maybe the stopover in ICN broke the Japan rules for low taxes?
The Japan rules only apply to the stints that border the Japan stop, not your entire trip - so in your case only the outbound. AFAIK. so you get no taxes on the outbound but full taxes on the return through ICN. Easily possible for ICN-YYZ to make up most of those taxes by itself
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Old Sep 5, 19, 1:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Smiley90 View Post
The Japan rules only apply to the stints that border the Japan stop, not your entire trip - so in your case only the outbound. AFAIK. so you get no taxes on the outbound but full taxes on the return through ICN. Easily possible for ICN-YYZ to make up most of those taxes by itself
I did a bit more research and testing - and it may be misleading to say "no taxes/YQ/carrier surcharge". That was true up to a point in the past, before a few iterations of new rules - Japan's current set of rules applies a cap on the carrier surcharge, varying by flights. Credit to Prince of Travel. FYI, one can see the taxes break down from the Aeroplan website search results by clicking the "Taxes, Fees & Surcharges" link when you get the fees quote.

My test case of YYZ-PVG-HND yielded a carrier surcharge capped at $172(AC+ANA) and $219 (AC+CA) depending on the airlines used. This may seem like a rather high cap in some cases, but it sure beats paying $310 carrier surcharge on YYZ-PVG AC leg alone. This is not to be confused with the city/airport taxes are added on top and cannot be avoided. I verified these figures with the call center and they seem consistent.

In your case, the string of AC flights from NA directly into Japan is capped at $130, which is the "best" cap I've seen, for a total of $184 including the airport taxes.
ZRH-YVR on AC yielded a carrier surcharge of $274, for a total of $321 with the airport tax.
Just those 2 pieces already add up to over $500, and we still need to include the 4 OZ/LH flights, so there must have been some additional caps/synergies applied here.

I was also able to price out YVR-YEG-YYC-NRT(stop)-ICN-TAS(stop)-IST-ZRH-YUL-YVR, using the same airlines as you up to IST and finishing off with LX+AC shorthaul (low YQ), for a total taxes $488.
If interested, search YVR-NRT-TAS-YVR in the multi-city tool with Sep 8, Oct 12, Jan 28 and check Economy-Economy-Business and you should be able to pull everything together. I think it has something to do with stopping in CDG, which wiped out a lot of taxes for the Europe part of your trip.
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Old Sep 25, 19, 2:01 am
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Originally Posted by tracon View Post
Booked under the wire. 3 PAX, all in J except for that one pesky DH8 segment.

YVR-YEG AC
<24 hours
YEG-YYC AC
<24 hours
YYC-NRT AC
stop
NRT-ICN-TAS OZ
turnaround
TAS-IST-CDG TK
stop
CDG-FRA-ZRH LH
<24 hours
ZRH-YVR AC

$442+$31.50

A couple changes.
Moved dates to August
YVR-AC-SJC-NH-NRT stop
NRT-OZ-ICN-OZ-TAS turnaround
TAS-TK-IST-TK-CDG <24 hours
CDG-LH-FRA-LH-ZRH stop
ZRH-AC-YVR
added about $100 in fees from version 1.

YVR-AC-SJC-NH-NRT stop
NRT-ET-ICN-OZ-TAS turnaround
TAS-TK-IST-TK-CDG stop
CDG-LH-MUC-LH-ZRH <24 hours
ZRH-AC-YVR

about a $20 refund from version 2.

Hoping to get version one of this itinerary with August dates, but AC and OZ are withholding J space over the Olympics.
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Old Oct 1, 19, 10:36 pm
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Originally Posted by cennis View Post
Booked for May 2020

YYZ-TPE BR J
TPE-NGO BR J (STOP)
NGO-SIN SQ Y
SIN-MEL SQ J (DEST)
MEL-SIN SQ J
SIN-SGN SQ Y
SGN-TPE BR J
TPE-AMS BR J
AMS-ZRH LX J (STOP)
ZRH-YUL LX J
YUL-YTZ AC Y

160k miles + 302 fees pp + 33.90 booking fee
Changed to get more J flights out of this.
YYZ-SEA AC J
SEA-ICN OZ J
ICN-CTS OZ J
CTS-KIX NH Y
KIX-SIN SQ J
SIN-MEL SQ J
MEL-SIN SQ J
SIN-PVG SQ J
PVG-HEL HO J
HEL-ARN SK J
ARN-ZRH LX J
ZRH-YUL LX J
YUL-YTZ AC Y

430pp taxes + change fees
AC seems to be holding inventory of J and release them when Y award space is taken. I had to book YYZ-SEA in Y after weeks of planning, but the same day I booked, I checked again at night, J was available. Free change but just something to note.
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Old Oct 24, 19, 11:50 am
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No issues making a change to a 2 stop itinerary for July, apart from the endless hold time. Previous return was DPS-IST-VIE(stop)-CAI-YYZ-LGA
JFK-JNB(stop)-PER-SIN-DPS(dest)-IST-FRA-KRK(stop)-ZRH-YUL-YTZ//YYZ-LGA

ZRH-YUL not available except as a married segment with YUL-YTZ (not even YYZ). Apparently a 3 hour connection between YTZ and YYZ is legal (I'd like to see someone try and make that!), but we are not really concerned about making it
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Old Oct 24, 19, 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by rankourabu View Post
No issues making a change to a 2 stop itinerary for July, apart from the endless hold time. Previous return was DPS-IST-VIE(stop)-CAI-YYZ-LGA
JFK-JNB(stop)-PER-SIN-DPS(dest)-IST-FRA-KRK(stop)-ZRH-YUL-YTZ//YYZ-LGA

ZRH-YUL not available except as a married segment with YUL-YTZ (not even YYZ). Apparently a 3 hour connection between YTZ and YYZ is legal (I'd like to see someone try and make that!), but we are not really concerned about making it
How does availability look in general on JFK-JNB? It's a lot more convenient than routing through Europe.

Also, I don't really see an issue with 3 hours for YTZ-YYZ. "Normal people" maybe, but I've shown up at the curb at YYZ at T-30 for a TB flight and been sitting in my seat 12 minutes later, and I'm pretty confident I can get from YTZ-YYZ in under 2.5 hours.
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Old Oct 24, 19, 7:26 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow View Post
How does availability look in general on JFK-JNB? It's a lot more convenient than routing through Europe.

Also, I don't really see an issue with 3 hours for YTZ-YYZ. "Normal people" maybe, but I've shown up at the curb at YYZ at T-30 for a TB flight and been sitting in my seat 12 minutes later, and I'm pretty confident I can get from YTZ-YYZ in under 2.5 hours.
Availability comes and goes. When I booked in late August for early July, there were 2 days available all July for 2 people, and it seemed like everyday there were different days available. One person was easier to find. There were also a couple IAD days. This wouldnt have worked via Europe (or ADD) - way over MPM to DPS.

And I believe you, its doable with the train even in the afternoon. This connection is irrelevant anyway, they couldve booked us on anything to LGA/EWR
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Old Nov 14, 19, 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by cennis View Post
You can try routing through these options which have fairly low fees. I saw these available in May/June/July 2020 for 2, not sure about 3.
VIE-LIS-YYZ all on TAP
VIE-LIS-BOS/ORD/IAD-YYZ TAP+AC short haul
VIE-ZRH-YUL-YTZ LX+AC short haul
VIE-ZRH-BOS/ORD-YYZ LX+AC short haul

I was able to locate alternate flights on Swiss. I am also pleased to report there was no problem with maintaining a double stop (itinerary originally booked before September 1).

I am now:
(all flights J)
YYZ-TPE (BR)
TPE-SGN (BR)
-stop-
SGN-SIN (SQ) - enough of a layover to check out the jewel
SIN-MLE (SQ)
-destination-
MLE-IST (TK) - long layover
IST-MXP (TK)
MXP-ZRH (LX)
-stop-
ZRH-ORD (LX)
ORD-YYZ (AC)

Total cost per person is about $450 but that includes a booking fee and change fee. I will be able to post about taxes and YQ only in a bit but you can assume it is about $300.
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Old Nov 14, 19, 9:54 pm
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Originally Posted by CanadianConnection33 View Post
I was able to locate alternate flights on Swiss. I am also pleased to report there was no problem with maintaining a double stop (itinerary originally booked before September 1).

I am now:
(all flights J)
YYZ-TPE (BR)
TPE-SGN (BR)
-stop-
SGN-SIN (SQ) - enough of a layover to check out the jewel
SIN-MLE (SQ)
-destination-
MLE-IST (TK) - long layover
IST-MXP (TK)
MXP-ZRH (LX)
-stop-
ZRH-ORD (LX)
ORD-YYZ (AC)

Total cost per person is about $450 but that includes a booking fee and change fee. I will be able to post about taxes and YQ only in a bit but you can assume it is about $300.
Congrats on picking up all the no YQ J flights!
It sounds about right, $300pp for a complex mrtw with no YQ airlines.
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Old Nov 14, 19, 10:03 pm
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Another couple changes and a small refund.....

YVR-AC-NRT stop
NRT-ET-ICN-OZ-TAS turnaround
TAS-TK-IST-TK-CDG stop
CDG-LX-ZRH just >24 hours
ZRH-AC-YVR


Originally Posted by tracon View Post
A couple changes.
Moved dates to August
YVR-AC-SJC-NH-NRT stop
NRT-OZ-ICN-OZ-TAS turnaround
TAS-TK-IST-TK-CDG <24 hours
CDG-LH-FRA-LH-ZRH stop
ZRH-AC-YVR
added about $100 in fees from version 1.

YVR-AC-SJC-NH-NRT stop
NRT-ET-ICN-OZ-TAS turnaround
TAS-TK-IST-TK-CDG stop
CDG-LH-MUC-LH-ZRH <24 hours
ZRH-AC-YVR

about a $20 refund from version 2.

Hoping to get version one of this itinerary with August dates, but AC and OZ are withholding J space over the Olympics.
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Old Nov 15, 19, 9:30 am
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Originally Posted by cennis View Post
Congrats on picking up all the no YQ J flights!
It sounds about right, $300pp for a complex mrtw with no YQ airlines.
Almost all J. The itinerary is true for two passengers but we are three. One passenger is in Y on SQ from SIN-MLE. I'm keeping an eye out for new award space. There's been a long discussion at home about who sits in the back. My daughter is young and required to be accompanied so she gets a J seat by default. From what I see online, Y on the SQ 787-10 is still pretty nice. Whomever is up front will have to do some "parenting".
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Old Nov 28, 19, 10:01 pm
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How are you guys finding YYZ-TPE on BR J so far out? I thought they only release these seats 5 days out?
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Old Nov 28, 19, 10:27 pm
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Originally Posted by aleks77 View Post
How are you guys finding YYZ-TPE on BR J so far out? I thought they only release these seats 5 days out?
BR releases award space a year out. Just hard to find to Canada.
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Old Jan 26, 20, 12:47 pm
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God... After countless hours (probably close to 100 hrs) on the phone throughout the past 7 days or so (I only have Aeroplan Black which as the same as no status), and talked to many different agents...
I am finally happy to report that I made our first (kinda) true mRTW Post-Amadeus segment by segment for later this year...
No crazy criss-cross, but still technically around the world so to speak.

YVR - YUL = AC (20 hrs Layover)
YUL - ZRH = LX (10 hrs layover)
ZRH - VIE = LX (18 hrs layover)
VIE - ATH = Aegean (Stop)

ATH - IST = TK (12 hrs layover)
IST - SIN = TK 787-9 (12 hrs layover)
SIN - CGK = SQ (Destination)

CGK - SIN = SQ (18 hrs layover)
SIN - TPE = SQ (16 hrs layover)
TPE - PEK = BR (3 hrs layover)
PEK - YVR = AC

Will try to look another segment from TPE - YVR direct later but we're very happy with this itinerary (basically every segment is what we put down as note & already have in mind)
Total fee per person ~$460
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