May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
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Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
Jun 14, 2017, 4:11 pm
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Jun 14, 2017, 8:24 pm
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Been "rouged" once, HAV - YYZ. Was a bit hungover and had already eaten so I wasn't too bothered about the lack of service. Going to avoid AC for other reasons mainly but the risk of having a transatlantic Rouge flight puts me off big time as well.
Do people notice much savings with them? There seems to be little difference in price between ex-DUB(rouge) and ex-LHR(non-rouge) from what I notice.
Do people notice much savings with them? There seems to be little difference in price between ex-DUB(rouge) and ex-LHR(non-rouge) from what I notice.
If anything, I've found the average rouge flight to have better service than the average mainline flight.
Jun 15, 2017, 5:22 am
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No entertainment system without paying to rent an iPad, no free alcoholic drinks and the food was below average. I wouldn't mind if the price reflected these things but on my last booking there was very little difference between AC and a few other, better, carriers.
Jun 15, 2017, 6:13 am
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Jun 15, 2017, 6:24 am
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Prices are not based on what is profitable for AC, it is based on the competition. Whether it is profitable is determined after the sales. A route can have very expensive tickets but be unprofitable if no one flies it. Inverse is true as well.
Jun 15, 2017, 7:24 am
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Actually I think we have established elsewhere that all of the food served on rouge is also served on mainline. Rouge has 2 entrees on the TB routes (have avoided for TATL/TPAC) and they are two of the three or four entrees offered on TCON/TATL/TPAC mainline. My recent YYZNRT had the same two entrees and dessert as a recent MCOYYZ on rouge, plus a couple (neither of which I could eat). Say what you will about rouge=crap, I don't think the food is a differentiator.
Jun 15, 2017, 7:24 am
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In booking my Ireland trip, I noticed a price difference between AC mainline and Rouge. Rouge PY was around $200 cheaper each way over mainline.
Jun 15, 2017, 7:59 am
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If you have your own Ipad, the entertainment system is free, which is now becoming the norm for airlines. Please advise which airlines service free liquor and food in Y classes on Dom routes in North America?
In booking my Ireland trip, I noticed a price difference between AC mainline and Rouge. Rouge PY was around $200 cheaper each way over mainline.
In booking my Ireland trip, I noticed a price difference between AC mainline and Rouge. Rouge PY was around $200 cheaper each way over mainline.
AC Rouge is the only option direct YYZ- DUB, however choosing a random date in August shows it's cheaper to fly via LHR on AC Mainline. Aer Lingus also works out cheaper too and that's direct. As someone else said, it seems Rouge is Air Canada's way of saving money, not the consumers.
Jun 15, 2017, 8:28 am
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I don't own an iPad but regardless, I'd prefer a built in system rather than a tablet. I was flying transatlantic so BA or LH would be my preferred. I've read a lot of reports of people struggling to get connected using their own tablets as well.
AC Rouge is the only option direct YYZ- DUB, however choosing a random date in August shows it's cheaper to fly via LHR on AC Mainline. Aer Lingus also works out cheaper too and that's direct. As someone else said, it seems Rouge is Air Canada's way of saving money, not the consumers.
AC Rouge is the only option direct YYZ- DUB, however choosing a random date in August shows it's cheaper to fly via LHR on AC Mainline. Aer Lingus also works out cheaper too and that's direct. As someone else said, it seems Rouge is Air Canada's way of saving money, not the consumers.
I would think looking at Aug fares on Rouge out of Ireland is to late now. Most cheap fares would already be booked.
Jun 15, 2017, 8:56 am
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Does BA or LH have entertain systems on their European fleet? Also, I believe BA is taking out their seat back entertainment system on aircraft deliveries of their international fleet. Maybe someone who is a high status flyer of BA can confirm this.
I would think looking at Aug fares on Rouge out of Ireland is to late now. Most cheap fares would already be booked.
I would think looking at Aug fares on Rouge out of Ireland is to late now. Most cheap fares would already be booked.
AC Rouge operate to/from DUB, AC Mainline to/from LHR. Very similar prices but 2 different standards. The point is compounded further as I notice AC are switching from Rouge to Maniline on their DUB route this autumn yet the basic fare is remaining the same.
Jun 15, 2017, 9:05 am
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I'm talking about Transatlantic but no, no entertainment systems on BA or LH European flights.
AC Rouge operate to/from DUB, AC Mainline to/from LHR. Very similar prices but 2 different standards. The point is compounded further as I notice AC are switching from Rouge to Maniline on their DUB route this autumn yet the basic fare is remaining the same.
AC Rouge operate to/from DUB, AC Mainline to/from LHR. Very similar prices but 2 different standards. The point is compounded further as I notice AC are switching from Rouge to Maniline on their DUB route this autumn yet the basic fare is remaining the same.
Jun 15, 2017, 9:16 am
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I'm talking about Transatlantic but no, no entertainment systems on BA or LH European flights.
AC Rouge operate to/from DUB, AC Mainline to/from LHR. Very similar prices but 2 different standards. The point is compounded further as I notice AC are switching from Rouge to Maniline on their DUB route this autumn yet the basic fare is remaining the same.
AC Rouge operate to/from DUB, AC Mainline to/from LHR. Very similar prices but 2 different standards. The point is compounded further as I notice AC are switching from Rouge to Maniline on their DUB route this autumn yet the basic fare is remaining the same.
But my suspicion with that route is not about Y, but J. At this moment in time there is no good J across the Atlantic from YYZ-DUB. Air Transats isn't as good as AC PY, Aer Lingus is probably on par. So there is a market for J and the associated benefits that will bring. In addition, if you want to fly proper J from Dublin, you have to go through London, which has significant associated costs for AC. Paying Aer Lingus the Y fare from DUB-LHR, the LHR taxes and the lounge hopping costs eat into any profit margin.
The other thing with that route, having flown it a lot is AC currently fly two Rouge planes per day which have very differing LFs, I've been on a flight once that can't have been half full.
Looking at next summers schedules, AC is going from 2 Rouge 767s to 1 mainline 330. It's one of those rare situations, given the proper J offering and the ability to offer increased seats without a additional aircraft, where mainline will work out cheaper than Rouge for Air Canada. So prices wouldn't need to be higher anyway!
Undoubtably, AC will be saving money/making more by switching this to mainline.
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Jun 15, 2017, 11:27 am
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Comprehensive answer, cheers! Unlikely I'll be using them for that route but what you said all makes sense anyway.
Jun 15, 2017, 2:49 pm
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Aside from the IFE, that's identical to mainline. I asked what was DIFFERENT.