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FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement&quot

INTRO

This wiki is taken from the excellent overview in the first post of this thread by FrequentFlyer9000 and is meant as a guide to the Aeroplan "Mini-RTW" for the uninformed newbie flyer. This is a no judgment zone and newbies are welcome. In this thread, the usage of scary acronyms and complicated FlyerTalk insider-speak will be minimized.

Also, this wiki is a work in progress so please provide feedback or make wiki edits if you think something warrants it.

INFO & COMMON QUESTIONS

What is the "Mini-RTW"?

The Mini-RTW is a name given to a type of reward booking using Air Canada's Aeroplan miles. It is actually not a "round-the-world" ticket at all - it is a regular award redemption. Just as you would use 75K frequent flyer miles to go to Japan on another airline, you can use 75K to do so using Aeroplan miles. The difference is that Aeroplan allows you to "stopover" in multiple cities at no extra mileage cost, making it very attractive compared to other reward travel. It should be noted that this isn't really that much better than some other airlines. For example, Delta offers one stopover + open jaw, which is only one stopover worse than Aeroplan's deal. But many of the airlines only offer one stopover and no open jaw. So there is definitely value here.

In addition to your final destination (in which you can stay for days/weeks/months), you are allowed:

•Two stopovers in other cities (stay for days/weeks/months). You are allowed to trade one of these stopovers for an open jaw (where you land in one city, but take the next flight out of another city)
•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015

So, disregarding the additional 10 segments, an award trip for Japan could actually look like this:

NYC > Tokyo (destination - one week) > Paris (stopover - one week) > London (stopover - one week) > NYC

You basically get three times the world exploration for the price of one. If you add on the extra layovers allowed, you can turn it into:

NYC > Los Angeles (one day) > Hawaii (one day) > Tokyo (one week) > Seoul (one day) > Hong Kong (one day) > Paris (one week) > Munich (one day) > London (one week) > Washington DC (one day) > NYC

Of course, you don't have to do the above. Spending so much time in airports can be exhausting. But the option is there for you if you want it.


How many miles is this going to cost me?

See the Award Travel chart here.

From North America to "Asia 1" countries: (effective Jan 1, 2014)
•75K in Economy
•150K in Business
•210K in First

From North America to "Europe 1" countries:
•60K in Economy
•90K in Business
•125K in First

...and so on. Check the link for other combinations. Assuming you are stopping in three cities, the city in the most "expensive" redemption zone is the zone you will have to pay for. So if you are visiting two Asia1 zone cities and one Middle East city, you will pay 80K miles rather than 75K miles since that is what the Middle East trip costs (numbers assume Economy class travel).

Which miles do I need to use? Can I use miles from other Star Alliance airlines?

You need to use Aeroplan miles. You cannot use miles from other Star Alliance members, such as United, to book this mini-RTW. However, you can book flights for the mini-RTW on any airline that is in the alliance and has the desired award seating available. You technically do not have to fly any segments on Air Canada at all.

So, what's the catch? What are the restrictions?

There is no catch. However, there are some restrictions on your itinerary. This is where things get a bit more complicated.

Want to find the new MPM after 10/29/2014?
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This is no longer valid after 10/29/2014
1) Your itinerary must be within 5% of the total "Maximum Permitted Mileage" (MPM) for the route from the origin to the destination. Even though you are stopping in three cities by using your two stopovers and a final destination, you can define the destination as the stop city furthest away from the origin. Although certain flyers have gotten away with telling an inattentive phone rep that their final destination / "turnaround city" is one of their layover cities to increase their MPM, this does not always work. Sticking with one of your three stop cities is a safe bet.

MPM exist so that you cannot repeatedly fly around the world 10 times on your 10 segments. There is a limit to how many miles you can fly on the reward ticket. MPM guidelines can be found by using the KVS tool or by using Expert Flyer. MPM is calculated between your origin and your destination, one-way. The trips to and from your destination are calculated separately. You are allowed to overshoot this number by 5% ("MPM5"). If you can find a bookable itinerary online that has a mileage longer than the published MPM, this is a "published routing" and can be used even if it exceeds the MPM5. In KVS, navigate to the "Reference" tab, select "MPM" from the dropdown menu, and enter your city pair. MPM information is available under the Travel Information section of ExpertFlyer. It is available to all subscribers, Basic or Premium, and there is a 5-day free trial to ExpertFlyer.com that can be used.

To see if your itinerary fits your MPM limit, you can use the site here to see your total miles traveled: www.gcmap.com. Enter your airport codes separated by dashes to see the itinerary and get the total mileage (e.g. NYC - LHR - NYC). Example here.

TO READ MORE ABOUT MPM: Read this (short) document
2) If you do elect to use an open jaw instead of one of your stopovers, you must schedule the open jaw so that it is in the same "IATA zone" as either the origin or the destination city. So if you are going from NY to Japan to Europe and back to NY, the open jaw cannot be scheduled in Europe, since it is neither the origin zone or the destination zone. The open jaw also cannot be a larger distance than any two legs you are actually flying. In case you are wondering, IATA zones are as follows:

IATA 1 - The Americas (incl. Caribbean, Hawaii)
IATA 2 - Europe as far as the Ural Mountain range, Middle East & Africa
IATA 3 - Oceania, SE Asia, Far East, Sub-Continent.

Remember that if you use your open jaw at the turnaround/destination point, you will only have one stopover to use left. So you would be able to do NYC > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. This has one destination, one open jaw (at turnaround point), and one stopover. However, you would not be able to do this: NYC > Madrid (stop) > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. Because your 2 stops + 1 open jaw would be more than the two allowed.

3) You cannot land in the same city twice in any one direction. This means that on my way from NY to, let's say, Cairo, I cannot do New York > London > Paris > London > Cairo on the way there, since I would be stopping in London twice in one direction. However, I can stop in London on the way to Cairo and then again on the way back from Cairo.

4) The actual trip needs to be "bookable". It needs to follow certain rules. I won't get into too many details, but anything completely nonsensical in terms of routing is generally not going to fly. But most routes will not fall into this category. Just something to keep in mind.


Do I have to go in the same direction for every leg of the flight?

No. As an example, you can cross the Atlantic twice or cross both the Atlantic and the Pacific once (more like a real RTW trip).


How do I book this?

Assuming you have already planned out your entire itinerary to the dot and have made sure your trip is in accordance with the above restrictions, call Aeroplan and speak with a representative. Alternatively, you can try to book online for free. However, this is not always possible with more complicated routings.


What will this cost me in real cash? How can I minimize fees?
It depends on the region you travel to and which airline you fly on. In general, the more Air Canada segments you fly the more fees/taxes you will pay. Aeroplan does not collect surcharges on non-Air Canada-operated flights. So flying Air Canada internationally will cost you extra. If you use a lot of Air Canada flights in your mini-RTW, your fees could be anywhere from $150 to $400, even sometimes creeping up above $600. Lesson is to avoid AC "metal" (airplanes) if possible.

Every trip will have a $30 cost per person for booking on the phone, regardless of the itinerary.


What are the change fees if I want to change a leg or multiple legs of the trip later?

$90 for changes after original booking. If there is an involuntary change because of flight schedules changing, there is no fee charged. Note that when you make a change, the taxes/fees associated with fuel, etc. may change. They may decrease or increase depending on the previous flight and the new flight. This is independent of the $90 rebooking fee. The $90 is flat regardless of how many of the segments you change. It is not $90 per changed segment.


How do I plan this trip out? Even finding a simple award ticket can be difficult online, let alone one with 10 segments!

Good question. It is recommended that you use either the All-Nippon Airways (ANA) website (guide on how here), the KVS tool (costs money) or ExpertFlyer (costs money), or http://FliSea.com. I personally like to use KVS, but it is not newbie-friendly. It is $20 for 2 months for the "diamond" level service, and $75 for a year. Small price to pay for saving a lot of time, if you can handle the learning curve. ANA is a good free method of finding segments and many people have had plenty of success with it; FliSea is a metasearch tool that uses all of the sites above.

The trick is to do this one segment at a time. So first find NYC > LONDON for the date you want and make sure that the award class you are looking for is available (e.g. Economy low fare). Then do the next leg: LONDON > ROME. Repeat for every segment. Write down the details of each flight, calculate the mileage using the www.gcmap.com resource, and call up Aeroplan to book.

One of our Flyertalk members has built a database with all the Mini-RTW routes that have been flown in the various threads in one simple place: http://www.turnleftat.com/mini-rtw-list/
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Old Nov 21, 2017, 10:16 am
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Originally Posted by rankourabu
It's definitely not too late for buses/trains between the 4 cities. There really is no need to fly unless it's already part of the ticket. Check LeoExpress for trains, there are other companies as well, bus travel will be even cheaper, faster, and leave u in the center unlike the airports.
Managed to get:

YYZ-YUL AC J
YUL-ZRH LX J
ZRH-KRK LX J (On C-Series)
--stop--
KRK-VIE OS Y
--open-jaw--
BUD-YYZ (Prem Rouge)

Will try and change the BUD-YYZ to J if something opens up. Not ideal but pretty happy about LX J and getting Krakow first makes me very happy. Booking over phone was terrible, had to call in 4 times (first time error with booking, second time call dropped, third time the inventory from second call was not available, fourth call I got it!)
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Old Nov 21, 2017, 11:22 am
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Originally Posted by seegs
Managed to get:

YYZ-YUL AC J
YUL-ZRH LX J
ZRH-KRK LX J (On C-Series)
--stop--
KRK-VIE OS Y
--open-jaw--
BUD-YYZ (Prem Rouge)

Will try and change the BUD-YYZ to J if something opens up. Not ideal but pretty happy about LX J and getting Krakow first makes me very happy. Booking over phone was terrible, had to call in 4 times (first time error with booking, second time call dropped, third time the inventory from second call was not available, fourth call I got it!)
Don't forget LOT J via EWR/ORD on your way back.
it won't come up on Aeroplan searches to YYZ, but you should check for space.
Small YQ and you don't have to suffer Rouge.
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Old Nov 21, 2017, 11:37 am
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Originally Posted by pentiumvi
There isn't a 10 segment limit for aeroplan awards.

I think your destination may actually be considered to be TPE, as that's the furthest point from your origin.
If so, I think you may need to re-order some of your stops. TPE-ICN-NRT-PEK-SFO may be pushing the MPM.

Also, you won't be able to connect in ICN for your NRT-PEK segment, as you've already gone through ICN once. You can only pass through each city once per direction (ie. outbound/inbound)
Thanks for the info! So it probably makes more sense to try and go NRT first to cut down on the back and forth around Asia.

Regarding the destination/stopovers, does it need to be stopover-destination-stopover or does any combination work? IE. stopover-stopover-destination

And is it still the case that connections don't count toward the MPM? Only stopovers and destination? Saw this mentioned at the beginning of the thread but couldn't find any updated info. For example, for my SFO-TPE via SEA flight, does SFO-SEA count toward MPM?
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Old Nov 21, 2017, 3:28 pm
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Originally Posted by GiantCow
Regarding the destination/stopovers, does it need to be stopover-destination-stopover or does any combination work? IE. stopover-stopover-destination

And is it still the case that connections don't count toward the MPM? Only stopovers and destination? Saw this mentioned at the beginning of the thread but couldn't find any updated info. For example, for my SFO-TPE via SEA flight, does SFO-SEA count toward MPM?
You can have the two stopovers before or after the destination. All of the segments will count toward the MPM.
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Old Nov 21, 2017, 6:32 pm
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Does anyone know the rules for when YQ does and doesn't apply for flights that touch HKG?

For example, if I have an RTW itinerary that departs HKG after a week layover, does this mean I can book Lufthansa without paying through the nose?
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Old Nov 21, 2017, 10:22 pm
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From my previous testing, HKG had to be the destination, and Lufthansa YQ only suppressed for HKG to Fra. If you took AC or lh for Fra to Canada, you still paid that amount. Maybe stopover enroute to elsewhere works now but it didn't before

Use that as a starting point and see if it still holds
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Old Nov 22, 2017, 5:10 am
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Originally Posted by crimsona
From my previous testing, HKG had to be the destination, and Lufthansa YQ only suppressed for HKG to Fra. If you took AC or lh for Fra to Canada, you still paid that amount. Maybe stopover enroute to elsewhere works now but it didn't before

Use that as a starting point and see if it still holds
So this is interesting, and seems to support your theory - if I search HKG-FRA-HKG, then Lufthansa comes out cheaper than Swiss.

If I search HKG-___-CDG-____-HKG, Lufthansa becomes much more expensive.
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Old Nov 25, 2017, 2:21 pm
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Wondering if anyone knows the answer to the following two questions, the T&C page on Aeroplan didn't seem to specify.

1. For a RT award booking, do you have to fly out and ultimately back to the same city? Or is it ok to start and end in different cities as long as it's in the same country and under the MPM?

2. For cities with multiple airports like Tokyo, can you land at say, HND and fly out from NRT on a stopover? Or does that end up counting as an open-jaw?

Thanks in advance
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Old Nov 25, 2017, 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by GiantCow
1. For a RT award booking, do you have to fly out and ultimately back to the same city? Or is it ok to start and end in different cities as long as it's in the same country and under the MPM?

2. For cities with multiple airports like Tokyo, can you land at say, HND and fly out from NRT on a stopover? Or does that end up counting as an open-jaw?
1. Same country is fine.
2. Yes those two are fine as a stopover. Generally airports in the same city (YTO, NYC, LON, TYO, OSA) are co-terminal and flying into one and out of another count as connections/stopovers and not open jaws.
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Old Nov 25, 2017, 4:08 pm
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Originally Posted by sz549
1. Same country is fine.
2. Yes those two are fine as a stopover. Generally airports in the same city (YTO, NYC, LON, TYO, OSA) are co-terminal and flying into one and out of another count as connections/stopovers and not open jaws.
Unless it's Moscow where they don't quite seem to agree that the airports are co-terminals and you have to escalate to a supervisor to teach geography to them. :facepalm:
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Old Nov 25, 2017, 4:37 pm
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Awesome, appreciate the help.
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Old Nov 25, 2017, 4:39 pm
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Originally Posted by sz549
1. Same country is fine.
I thought if you stopped in a different city it would count as an open jaw. For example depart YYZ, end in YUL. That would be allowed, you would just lose one of your 2 stops.

Of course the way around that is to book to the originating airport through the city you want to stop in. This would work unless MPM comes into play.
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Old Nov 25, 2017, 4:59 pm
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Originally Posted by joeags
I thought if you stopped in a different city it would count as an open jaw. For example depart YYZ, end in YUL. That would be allowed, you would just lose one of your 2 stops.

Of course the way around that is to book to the originating airport through the city you want to stop in. This would work unless MPM comes into play.
It does count as an open jaw, but the way the question was phrased, the OP was looking to see whether that was possible. If the question is whether you can _also_ retain two stops ... then nope.
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Old Nov 25, 2017, 7:19 pm
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Wasn't getting much action in the mini-rtw thread! Sorry if this has been asked before, hard to search through the many pages.

We have a business class mini RTW trip booked, however, the first leg of the flight is YYZ-MUC in Y and then MUC-ATH in J with ATH being our first stop. Would we have lounge access on the first leg of the flight in YYZ before the YYZ-MUC leg? Thanks a lot
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Old Nov 25, 2017, 8:43 pm
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Originally Posted by TJ1010F
Wasn't getting much action in the mini-rtw thread! Sorry if this has been asked before, hard to search through the many pages.

We have a business class mini RTW trip booked, however, the first leg of the flight is YYZ-MUC in Y and then MUC-ATH in J with ATH being our first stop. Would we have lounge access on the first leg of the flight in YYZ before the YYZ-MUC leg? Thanks a lot
YYZ-MUC in Y? ouch, and I don't think you get lounge access
Hope for last minute J open-up, or I'd pay $100 change fee to change to something in J
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