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New List of Mini-RTW 2.0 version after Oct 29th, 2014 "enhancement" (i.e. less MPM)
FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement"
INTRO
This wiki is taken from the excellent overview in the first post of this thread by FrequentFlyer9000 and is meant as a guide to the Aeroplan "Mini-RTW" for the uninformed newbie flyer. This is a no judgment zone and newbies are welcome. In this thread, the usage of scary acronyms and complicated FlyerTalk insider-speak will be minimized.
Also, this wiki is a work in progress so please provide feedback or make wiki edits if you think something warrants it.
INFO & COMMON QUESTIONS
What is the "Mini-RTW"?
The Mini-RTW is a name given to a type of reward booking using Air Canada's Aeroplan miles. It is actually not a "round-the-world" ticket at all - it is a regular award redemption. Just as you would use 75K frequent flyer miles to go to Japan on another airline, you can use 75K to do so using Aeroplan miles. The difference is that Aeroplan allows you to "stopover" in multiple cities at no extra mileage cost, making it very attractive compared to other reward travel. It should be noted that this isn't really that much better than some other airlines. For example, Delta offers one stopover + open jaw, which is only one stopover worse than Aeroplan's deal. But many of the airlines only offer one stopover and no open jaw. So there is definitely value here.
In addition to your final destination (in which you can stay for days/weeks/months), you are allowed:
•Two stopovers in other cities (stay for days/weeks/months). You are allowed to trade one of these stopovers for an open jaw (where you land in one city, but take the next flight out of another city)
•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015
So, disregarding the additional 10 segments, an award trip for Japan could actually look like this:
NYC > Tokyo (destination - one week) > Paris (stopover - one week) > London (stopover - one week) > NYC
You basically get three times the world exploration for the price of one. If you add on the extra layovers allowed, you can turn it into:
NYC > Los Angeles (one day) > Hawaii (one day) > Tokyo (one week) > Seoul (one day) > Hong Kong (one day) > Paris (one week) > Munich (one day) > London (one week) > Washington DC (one day) > NYC
Of course, you don't have to do the above. Spending so much time in airports can be exhausting. But the option is there for you if you want it.
How many miles is this going to cost me?
See the Award Travel chart here.
From North America to "Asia 1" countries: (effective Jan 1, 2014)
•75K in Economy
•150K in Business
•210K in First
From North America to "Europe 1" countries:
•60K in Economy
•90K in Business
•125K in First
...and so on. Check the link for other combinations. Assuming you are stopping in three cities, the city in the most "expensive" redemption zone is the zone you will have to pay for. So if you are visiting two Asia1 zone cities and one Middle East city, you will pay 80K miles rather than 75K miles since that is what the Middle East trip costs (numbers assume Economy class travel).
Which miles do I need to use? Can I use miles from other Star Alliance airlines?
You need to use Aeroplan miles. You cannot use miles from other Star Alliance members, such as United, to book this mini-RTW. However, you can book flights for the mini-RTW on any airline that is in the alliance and has the desired award seating available. You technically do not have to fly any segments on Air Canada at all.
So, what's the catch? What are the restrictions?
There is no catch. However, there are some restrictions on your itinerary. This is where things get a bit more complicated.
Want to find the new MPM after 10/29/2014?
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM) - FlyerTalk Forums
This is no longer valid after 10/29/2014
2) If you do elect to use an open jaw instead of one of your stopovers, you must schedule the open jaw so that it is in the same "IATA zone" as either the origin or the destination city. So if you are going from NY to Japan to Europe and back to NY, the open jaw cannot be scheduled in Europe, since it is neither the origin zone or the destination zone. The open jaw also cannot be a larger distance than any two legs you are actually flying. In case you are wondering, IATA zones are as follows:
IATA 1 - The Americas (incl. Caribbean, Hawaii)
IATA 2 - Europe as far as the Ural Mountain range, Middle East & Africa
IATA 3 - Oceania, SE Asia, Far East, Sub-Continent.
Remember that if you use your open jaw at the turnaround/destination point, you will only have one stopover to use left. So you would be able to do NYC > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. This has one destination, one open jaw (at turnaround point), and one stopover. However, you would not be able to do this: NYC > Madrid (stop) > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. Because your 2 stops + 1 open jaw would be more than the two allowed.
3) You cannot land in the same city twice in any one direction. This means that on my way from NY to, let's say, Cairo, I cannot do New York > London > Paris > London > Cairo on the way there, since I would be stopping in London twice in one direction. However, I can stop in London on the way to Cairo and then again on the way back from Cairo.
4) The actual trip needs to be "bookable". It needs to follow certain rules. I won't get into too many details, but anything completely nonsensical in terms of routing is generally not going to fly. But most routes will not fall into this category. Just something to keep in mind.
Do I have to go in the same direction for every leg of the flight?
No. As an example, you can cross the Atlantic twice or cross both the Atlantic and the Pacific once (more like a real RTW trip).
How do I book this?
Assuming you have already planned out your entire itinerary to the dot and have made sure your trip is in accordance with the above restrictions, call Aeroplan and speak with a representative. Alternatively, you can try to book online for free. However, this is not always possible with more complicated routings.
What will this cost me in real cash? How can I minimize fees?
It depends on the region you travel to and which airline you fly on. In general, the more Air Canada segments you fly the more fees/taxes you will pay. Aeroplan does not collect surcharges on non-Air Canada-operated flights. So flying Air Canada internationally will cost you extra. If you use a lot of Air Canada flights in your mini-RTW, your fees could be anywhere from $150 to $400, even sometimes creeping up above $600. Lesson is to avoid AC "metal" (airplanes) if possible.
Every trip will have a $30 cost per person for booking on the phone, regardless of the itinerary.
What are the change fees if I want to change a leg or multiple legs of the trip later?
$90 for changes after original booking. If there is an involuntary change because of flight schedules changing, there is no fee charged. Note that when you make a change, the taxes/fees associated with fuel, etc. may change. They may decrease or increase depending on the previous flight and the new flight. This is independent of the $90 rebooking fee. The $90 is flat regardless of how many of the segments you change. It is not $90 per changed segment.
How do I plan this trip out? Even finding a simple award ticket can be difficult online, let alone one with 10 segments!
Good question. It is recommended that you use either the All-Nippon Airways (ANA) website (guide on how here), the KVS tool (costs money) or ExpertFlyer (costs money), or http://FliSea.com. I personally like to use KVS, but it is not newbie-friendly. It is $20 for 2 months for the "diamond" level service, and $75 for a year. Small price to pay for saving a lot of time, if you can handle the learning curve. ANA is a good free method of finding segments and many people have had plenty of success with it; FliSea is a metasearch tool that uses all of the sites above.
The trick is to do this one segment at a time. So first find NYC > LONDON for the date you want and make sure that the award class you are looking for is available (e.g. Economy low fare). Then do the next leg: LONDON > ROME. Repeat for every segment. Write down the details of each flight, calculate the mileage using the www.gcmap.com resource, and call up Aeroplan to book.
One of our Flyertalk members has built a database with all the Mini-RTW routes that have been flown in the various threads in one simple place: http://www.turnleftat.com/mini-rtw-list/
FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement"
INTRO
This wiki is taken from the excellent overview in the first post of this thread by FrequentFlyer9000 and is meant as a guide to the Aeroplan "Mini-RTW" for the uninformed newbie flyer. This is a no judgment zone and newbies are welcome. In this thread, the usage of scary acronyms and complicated FlyerTalk insider-speak will be minimized.
Also, this wiki is a work in progress so please provide feedback or make wiki edits if you think something warrants it.
INFO & COMMON QUESTIONS
What is the "Mini-RTW"?
The Mini-RTW is a name given to a type of reward booking using Air Canada's Aeroplan miles. It is actually not a "round-the-world" ticket at all - it is a regular award redemption. Just as you would use 75K frequent flyer miles to go to Japan on another airline, you can use 75K to do so using Aeroplan miles. The difference is that Aeroplan allows you to "stopover" in multiple cities at no extra mileage cost, making it very attractive compared to other reward travel. It should be noted that this isn't really that much better than some other airlines. For example, Delta offers one stopover + open jaw, which is only one stopover worse than Aeroplan's deal. But many of the airlines only offer one stopover and no open jaw. So there is definitely value here.
In addition to your final destination (in which you can stay for days/weeks/months), you are allowed:
•Two stopovers in other cities (stay for days/weeks/months). You are allowed to trade one of these stopovers for an open jaw (where you land in one city, but take the next flight out of another city)
•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015
So, disregarding the additional 10 segments, an award trip for Japan could actually look like this:
NYC > Tokyo (destination - one week) > Paris (stopover - one week) > London (stopover - one week) > NYC
You basically get three times the world exploration for the price of one. If you add on the extra layovers allowed, you can turn it into:
NYC > Los Angeles (one day) > Hawaii (one day) > Tokyo (one week) > Seoul (one day) > Hong Kong (one day) > Paris (one week) > Munich (one day) > London (one week) > Washington DC (one day) > NYC
Of course, you don't have to do the above. Spending so much time in airports can be exhausting. But the option is there for you if you want it.
How many miles is this going to cost me?
See the Award Travel chart here.
From North America to "Asia 1" countries: (effective Jan 1, 2014)
•75K in Economy
•150K in Business
•210K in First
From North America to "Europe 1" countries:
•60K in Economy
•90K in Business
•125K in First
...and so on. Check the link for other combinations. Assuming you are stopping in three cities, the city in the most "expensive" redemption zone is the zone you will have to pay for. So if you are visiting two Asia1 zone cities and one Middle East city, you will pay 80K miles rather than 75K miles since that is what the Middle East trip costs (numbers assume Economy class travel).
Which miles do I need to use? Can I use miles from other Star Alliance airlines?
You need to use Aeroplan miles. You cannot use miles from other Star Alliance members, such as United, to book this mini-RTW. However, you can book flights for the mini-RTW on any airline that is in the alliance and has the desired award seating available. You technically do not have to fly any segments on Air Canada at all.
So, what's the catch? What are the restrictions?
There is no catch. However, there are some restrictions on your itinerary. This is where things get a bit more complicated.
Want to find the new MPM after 10/29/2014?
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM) - FlyerTalk Forums
This is no longer valid after 10/29/2014
1) Your itinerary must be within 5% of the total "Maximum Permitted Mileage" (MPM) for the route from the origin to the destination. Even though you are stopping in three cities by using your two stopovers and a final destination, you can define the destination as the stop city furthest away from the origin. Although certain flyers have gotten away with telling an inattentive phone rep that their final destination / "turnaround city" is one of their layover cities to increase their MPM, this does not always work. Sticking with one of your three stop cities is a safe bet.
MPM exist so that you cannot repeatedly fly around the world 10 times on your 10 segments. There is a limit to how many miles you can fly on the reward ticket. MPM guidelines can be found by using the KVS tool or by using Expert Flyer. MPM is calculated between your origin and your destination, one-way. The trips to and from your destination are calculated separately. You are allowed to overshoot this number by 5% ("MPM5"). If you can find a bookable itinerary online that has a mileage longer than the published MPM, this is a "published routing" and can be used even if it exceeds the MPM5. In KVS, navigate to the "Reference" tab, select "MPM" from the dropdown menu, and enter your city pair. MPM information is available under the Travel Information section of ExpertFlyer. It is available to all subscribers, Basic or Premium, and there is a 5-day free trial to ExpertFlyer.com that can be used.
To see if your itinerary fits your MPM limit, you can use the site here to see your total miles traveled: www.gcmap.com. Enter your airport codes separated by dashes to see the itinerary and get the total mileage (e.g. NYC - LHR - NYC). Example here.
TO READ MORE ABOUT MPM: Read this (short) document
MPM exist so that you cannot repeatedly fly around the world 10 times on your 10 segments. There is a limit to how many miles you can fly on the reward ticket. MPM guidelines can be found by using the KVS tool or by using Expert Flyer. MPM is calculated between your origin and your destination, one-way. The trips to and from your destination are calculated separately. You are allowed to overshoot this number by 5% ("MPM5"). If you can find a bookable itinerary online that has a mileage longer than the published MPM, this is a "published routing" and can be used even if it exceeds the MPM5. In KVS, navigate to the "Reference" tab, select "MPM" from the dropdown menu, and enter your city pair. MPM information is available under the Travel Information section of ExpertFlyer. It is available to all subscribers, Basic or Premium, and there is a 5-day free trial to ExpertFlyer.com that can be used.
To see if your itinerary fits your MPM limit, you can use the site here to see your total miles traveled: www.gcmap.com. Enter your airport codes separated by dashes to see the itinerary and get the total mileage (e.g. NYC - LHR - NYC). Example here.
TO READ MORE ABOUT MPM: Read this (short) document
IATA 1 - The Americas (incl. Caribbean, Hawaii)
IATA 2 - Europe as far as the Ural Mountain range, Middle East & Africa
IATA 3 - Oceania, SE Asia, Far East, Sub-Continent.
Remember that if you use your open jaw at the turnaround/destination point, you will only have one stopover to use left. So you would be able to do NYC > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. This has one destination, one open jaw (at turnaround point), and one stopover. However, you would not be able to do this: NYC > Madrid (stop) > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. Because your 2 stops + 1 open jaw would be more than the two allowed.
3) You cannot land in the same city twice in any one direction. This means that on my way from NY to, let's say, Cairo, I cannot do New York > London > Paris > London > Cairo on the way there, since I would be stopping in London twice in one direction. However, I can stop in London on the way to Cairo and then again on the way back from Cairo.
4) The actual trip needs to be "bookable". It needs to follow certain rules. I won't get into too many details, but anything completely nonsensical in terms of routing is generally not going to fly. But most routes will not fall into this category. Just something to keep in mind.
Do I have to go in the same direction for every leg of the flight?
No. As an example, you can cross the Atlantic twice or cross both the Atlantic and the Pacific once (more like a real RTW trip).
How do I book this?
Assuming you have already planned out your entire itinerary to the dot and have made sure your trip is in accordance with the above restrictions, call Aeroplan and speak with a representative. Alternatively, you can try to book online for free. However, this is not always possible with more complicated routings.
What will this cost me in real cash? How can I minimize fees?
It depends on the region you travel to and which airline you fly on. In general, the more Air Canada segments you fly the more fees/taxes you will pay. Aeroplan does not collect surcharges on non-Air Canada-operated flights. So flying Air Canada internationally will cost you extra. If you use a lot of Air Canada flights in your mini-RTW, your fees could be anywhere from $150 to $400, even sometimes creeping up above $600. Lesson is to avoid AC "metal" (airplanes) if possible.
Every trip will have a $30 cost per person for booking on the phone, regardless of the itinerary.
What are the change fees if I want to change a leg or multiple legs of the trip later?
$90 for changes after original booking. If there is an involuntary change because of flight schedules changing, there is no fee charged. Note that when you make a change, the taxes/fees associated with fuel, etc. may change. They may decrease or increase depending on the previous flight and the new flight. This is independent of the $90 rebooking fee. The $90 is flat regardless of how many of the segments you change. It is not $90 per changed segment.
How do I plan this trip out? Even finding a simple award ticket can be difficult online, let alone one with 10 segments!
Good question. It is recommended that you use either the All-Nippon Airways (ANA) website (guide on how here), the KVS tool (costs money) or ExpertFlyer (costs money), or http://FliSea.com. I personally like to use KVS, but it is not newbie-friendly. It is $20 for 2 months for the "diamond" level service, and $75 for a year. Small price to pay for saving a lot of time, if you can handle the learning curve. ANA is a good free method of finding segments and many people have had plenty of success with it; FliSea is a metasearch tool that uses all of the sites above.
The trick is to do this one segment at a time. So first find NYC > LONDON for the date you want and make sure that the award class you are looking for is available (e.g. Economy low fare). Then do the next leg: LONDON > ROME. Repeat for every segment. Write down the details of each flight, calculate the mileage using the www.gcmap.com resource, and call up Aeroplan to book.
One of our Flyertalk members has built a database with all the Mini-RTW routes that have been flown in the various threads in one simple place: http://www.turnleftat.com/mini-rtw-list/
FAQ: The Complete Newbie Guide/FAQ to the Air Canada Aeroplan Mini-RTW
Nov 6, 2017, 8:16 am
#1621
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 6
What tool are most of you using to search - or just piecing together the individual segments?
I'm looking at this right now:
YVR --> LHR
LHR --> SFO
SFO --> YVR
and it's 60k miles + $300 CAD, all on United flights.
Which seems higher in fees than what most people are able to find? I wouldn't mind adding some extra destinations in there if I can maximize the 60k aeroplan spend - just not sure how to add more than 3 flights on the AC tool.
I'm looking at this right now:
YVR --> LHR
LHR --> SFO
SFO --> YVR
and it's 60k miles + $300 CAD, all on United flights.
Which seems higher in fees than what most people are able to find? I wouldn't mind adding some extra destinations in there if I can maximize the 60k aeroplan spend - just not sure how to add more than 3 flights on the AC tool.
Nov 6, 2017, 9:00 am
#1622
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,314
What tool are most of you using to search - or just piecing together the individual segments?
I'm looking at this right now:
YVR --> LHR
LHR --> SFO
SFO --> YVR
and it's 60k miles + $300 CAD, all on United flights.
Which seems higher in fees than what most people are able to find? I wouldn't mind adding some extra destinations in there if I can maximize the 60k aeroplan spend - just not sure how to add more than 3 flights on the AC tool.
I'm looking at this right now:
YVR --> LHR
LHR --> SFO
SFO --> YVR
and it's 60k miles + $300 CAD, all on United flights.
Which seems higher in fees than what most people are able to find? I wouldn't mind adding some extra destinations in there if I can maximize the 60k aeroplan spend - just not sure how to add more than 3 flights on the AC tool.
Your problem is the stopover in London, that usually adds $200+ in actual tax.
You can search by segment on united.com (saver awards is what Aeroplan will have) - and then call in to Aeroplan, pay the $34 booking fee to book using stopovers.
Nov 6, 2017, 9:02 am
#1623
Join Date: Sep 2016
Programs: Air Canada - Aeroplan Black, AC - E50K, NEXUS/GE
Posts: 225
Ran into this problem too booking a mini-RTW. There was no NRT-KIX availability when I was searching as an individual segment, but when married to another segment (in my case JFK-KIX as two segments of JFK-NRT-KIX) there was award availability. Any chance you can search KIX-NRT as part of a larger set of segments or change your segments around?
The issue with your mileage is that trip to ICN on the return leg. That leg is 534 miles and you're over by around 400 like you said. I have the same leg in my mRTW next summer, and I had to change my point of turnaround (Singapore instead of Bangkok) to get it to fit in there.
The issue with your mileage is that trip to ICN on the return leg. That leg is 534 miles and you're over by around 400 like you said. I have the same leg in my mRTW next summer, and I had to change my point of turnaround (Singapore instead of Bangkok) to get it to fit in there.
Nov 6, 2017, 10:24 pm
#1624
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,085
Ran into this problem too booking a mini-RTW. There was no NRT-KIX availability when I was searching as an individual segment, but when married to another segment (in my case JFK-KIX as two segments of JFK-NRT-KIX) there was award availability. Any chance you can search KIX-NRT as part of a larger set of segments or change your segments around?
Did you do NRT-ITM instead?
Last edited by pentiumvi; Nov 6, 2017 at 10:30 pm
Nov 7, 2017, 12:04 pm
#1625
Join Date: Sep 2016
Programs: Air Canada - Aeroplan Black, AC - E50K, NEXUS/GE
Posts: 225
Nov 7, 2017, 6:39 pm
#1626
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 11
Will this multi-cities itinerary be accepted/valid? This trip is from Toronto, Asia/Jakarta, Paris (open jaw) and other cities nearby via trains; then Brussel back to Toronto.
1. YYZ-TPE-CGK (stopover #1 - 10 days) using EVA
2. CGK-SIN-CDG (stopover #2 - 5 days) using SQ => open jaw?
Then, we plan to take train from France to Toulouse and other cities, then to Brussel.
3. BRU - YYZ using SN
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=YYZ-CGK-CDG;BRU-YYZ
1. YYZ-TPE-CGK (stopover #1 - 10 days) using EVA
2. CGK-SIN-CDG (stopover #2 - 5 days) using SQ => open jaw?
Then, we plan to take train from France to Toulouse and other cities, then to Brussel.
3. BRU - YYZ using SN
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=YYZ-CGK-CDG;BRU-YYZ
I know it's not technically a mini RTW.
Nov 7, 2017, 7:09 pm
#1627
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,314
Did they actually put the flights in and priced out the ticket?
Historically, an open jaw has only been allowed at origin/destination. Very rarely (if ever) have people actually gotten away with it when it comes down to ticketing
Nov 7, 2017, 7:42 pm
#1628
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 11
Option 1:
1. YYZ-TPE-CGK (stop) using EVA
2. CGK-SIN-CDG (stop) using SQ
3. CDG-BRU (stop) using SN
4. BRU-YYZ using SN
Option 2, which I posted previously on posting #1 614 . The only difference is option 2 skips #3 (CDG-BRU segment).
The agent confirmed both routes are legal and bookable.
I read on the how to build the multi-city trip from Aeroplan's website and thought my scenario falls into the type 2 with 3 cities (A - B - C, then D -A).
I'm a newbie here
and would like to learn more from the experts. Please let me know if my option #2 is actually not bookable. I will then plan on option #1 (also 3 cities) as I know that one is valid and bookable via agent.
Nov 7, 2017, 10:40 pm
#1629
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 193
Does Aeroplan not show all the possible flights? Trying to find a simple one like YEG - ORD via United and then ORD to AMS via United but none of the direct flights for them show up in June/July.
Also JNB - SIN, in the same time period wanting to get the direct flight that SQ offers but none of this shows on Aeroplan??
Also JNB - SIN, in the same time period wanting to get the direct flight that SQ offers but none of this shows on Aeroplan??
Nov 8, 2017, 3:03 am
#1630
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: YVR
Programs: OZ Diamond, Jiffypark Manhattan Gold
Posts: 4,485
Any secret to booking Air New Zealand? I really don't think I'll ever fly NZ, so I'd like to cross them off the list. I have an occasion to fly to/from europe on points, trying to find that LAX-LHR or reverse segment. On EF I can select business and economy, but the only thing that shows up in the search results is Economy X 0, every flight, every time. I'm willing to fly biz or econ, but I can't find anything at all. Do they sell out super fest? Are they just not offered in the first place? Is there any reliable J search? It's hard to say if EF would display it even if it were there.
Nov 8, 2017, 6:57 am
#1631
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,314
Any secret to booking Air New Zealand? I really don't think I'll ever fly NZ, so I'd like to cross them off the list. I have an occasion to fly to/from europe on points, trying to find that LAX-LHR or reverse segment. On EF I can select business and economy, but the only thing that shows up in the search results is Economy X 0, every flight, every time. I'm willing to fly biz or econ, but I can't find anything at all. Do they sell out super fest? Are they just not offered in the first place? Is there any reliable J search? It's hard to say if EF would display it even if it were there.
LAX/SFO-AKL - 90 days out.
Most reliable is united.com. You can search nonstop only. The calendar works great.
Nov 8, 2017, 1:25 pm
#1632
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: YVR
Programs: OZ Diamond, Jiffypark Manhattan Gold
Posts: 4,485
That being said, I was trying to use United...did they update their site? That old style calendar that showed 30 days with the dots and lines didn't come up for me. All I saw was a week at a time with different point values with the date. If it's a change in the website, it stinks. If not, I've never seen it before, so I'm not sure how I ended up there.
Nov 8, 2017, 1:39 pm
#1633
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,314
That's a bummer. I thought at least I'd be able to get an Economy seat. The day I finally go to Australia I'll have to make sure I use NZ just to cross it off the list.
That being said, I was trying to use United...did they update their site? That old style calendar that showed 30 days with the dots and lines didn't come up for me. All I saw was a week at a time with different point values with the date. If it's a change in the website, it stinks. If not, I've never seen it before, so I'm not sure how I ended up there.
That being said, I was trying to use United...did they update their site? That old style calendar that showed 30 days with the dots and lines didn't come up for me. All I saw was a week at a time with different point values with the date. If it's a change in the website, it stinks. If not, I've never seen it before, so I'm not sure how I ended up there.
You need to check off MY DATES ARE FLEXIBLE in the initial search to get the montly calendar with dots and lines.
Nov 8, 2017, 3:07 pm
#1634
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: YVR
Programs: OZ Diamond, Jiffypark Manhattan Gold
Posts: 4,485
Now I just wanna make sure I'm not barking up the wrong tree here...I've done plenty of trips with stopovers, but I've always kinda done them linearly. So I just need to clarify this.
I'd like to do something like....
YVR (home)
VNO/DME/SVO/LED (which one might depend on availability, stopover)
CDG (turnaround? I'm never really sure which one is define as the turn)
KBP (stopover)
YVR
I know I'm allowed to do the 2 stopovers on either end, regardless of the turn point based on the sticky example. But I just wanna make sure I do my math right. To make sure I'm under MPM, I need to add all the flights to/from the highest MPM? The highest MPM is KBP at 8924. So to get the math right I'd need...
YVR-VNO-CDG-KBP < 8924? Cuz I'm not really sure it's possible. But I can't wrap my head around cuz this isn't a standard YVR-STOP-FURTHEST-STOP-YVR.
Nov 8, 2017, 4:11 pm
#1635
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
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Thanks! I got it this time, I never remembered checking that off before, but I guess I always did subconsciously.
Now I just wanna make sure I'm not barking up the wrong tree here...I've done plenty of trips with stopovers, but I've always kinda done them linearly. So I just need to clarify this.
I'd like to do something like....
YVR (home)
VNO/DME/SVO/LED (which one might depend on availability, stopover)
CDG (turnaround? I'm never really sure which one is define as the turn)
KBP (stopover)
YVR
I know I'm allowed to do the 2 stopovers on either end, regardless of the turn point based on the sticky example. But I just wanna make sure I do my math right. To make sure I'm under MPM, I need to add all the flights to/from the highest MPM? The highest MPM is KBP at 8924. So to get the math right I'd need...
YVR-VNO-CDG-KBP < 8924? Cuz I'm not really sure it's possible. But I can't wrap my head around cuz this isn't a standard YVR-STOP-FURTHEST-STOP-YVR.
Now I just wanna make sure I'm not barking up the wrong tree here...I've done plenty of trips with stopovers, but I've always kinda done them linearly. So I just need to clarify this.
I'd like to do something like....
YVR (home)
VNO/DME/SVO/LED (which one might depend on availability, stopover)
CDG (turnaround? I'm never really sure which one is define as the turn)
KBP (stopover)
YVR
I know I'm allowed to do the 2 stopovers on either end, regardless of the turn point based on the sticky example. But I just wanna make sure I do my math right. To make sure I'm under MPM, I need to add all the flights to/from the highest MPM? The highest MPM is KBP at 8924. So to get the math right I'd need...
YVR-VNO-CDG-KBP < 8924? Cuz I'm not really sure it's possible. But I can't wrap my head around cuz this isn't a standard YVR-STOP-FURTHEST-STOP-YVR.
If you cant get an award KBP-Moscow, the tickets cost like 100 Euros non stop - which is probably what you would look at for LO YQ.