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Old May 30, 2013, 9:55 pm
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New List of Mini-RTW 2.0 version after Oct 29th, 2014 "enhancement" (i.e. less MPM)

FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement&quot

INTRO

This wiki is taken from the excellent overview in the first post of this thread by FrequentFlyer9000 and is meant as a guide to the Aeroplan "Mini-RTW" for the uninformed newbie flyer. This is a no judgment zone and newbies are welcome. In this thread, the usage of scary acronyms and complicated FlyerTalk insider-speak will be minimized.

Also, this wiki is a work in progress so please provide feedback or make wiki edits if you think something warrants it.

INFO & COMMON QUESTIONS

What is the "Mini-RTW"?

The Mini-RTW is a name given to a type of reward booking using Air Canada's Aeroplan miles. It is actually not a "round-the-world" ticket at all - it is a regular award redemption. Just as you would use 75K frequent flyer miles to go to Japan on another airline, you can use 75K to do so using Aeroplan miles. The difference is that Aeroplan allows you to "stopover" in multiple cities at no extra mileage cost, making it very attractive compared to other reward travel. It should be noted that this isn't really that much better than some other airlines. For example, Delta offers one stopover + open jaw, which is only one stopover worse than Aeroplan's deal. But many of the airlines only offer one stopover and no open jaw. So there is definitely value here.

In addition to your final destination (in which you can stay for days/weeks/months), you are allowed:

•Two stopovers in other cities (stay for days/weeks/months). You are allowed to trade one of these stopovers for an open jaw (where you land in one city, but take the next flight out of another city)
•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015

So, disregarding the additional 10 segments, an award trip for Japan could actually look like this:

NYC > Tokyo (destination - one week) > Paris (stopover - one week) > London (stopover - one week) > NYC

You basically get three times the world exploration for the price of one. If you add on the extra layovers allowed, you can turn it into:

NYC > Los Angeles (one day) > Hawaii (one day) > Tokyo (one week) > Seoul (one day) > Hong Kong (one day) > Paris (one week) > Munich (one day) > London (one week) > Washington DC (one day) > NYC

Of course, you don't have to do the above. Spending so much time in airports can be exhausting. But the option is there for you if you want it.


How many miles is this going to cost me?

See the Award Travel chart here.

From North America to "Asia 1" countries: (effective Jan 1, 2014)
•75K in Economy
•150K in Business
•210K in First

From North America to "Europe 1" countries:
•60K in Economy
•90K in Business
•125K in First

...and so on. Check the link for other combinations. Assuming you are stopping in three cities, the city in the most "expensive" redemption zone is the zone you will have to pay for. So if you are visiting two Asia1 zone cities and one Middle East city, you will pay 80K miles rather than 75K miles since that is what the Middle East trip costs (numbers assume Economy class travel).

Which miles do I need to use? Can I use miles from other Star Alliance airlines?

You need to use Aeroplan miles. You cannot use miles from other Star Alliance members, such as United, to book this mini-RTW. However, you can book flights for the mini-RTW on any airline that is in the alliance and has the desired award seating available. You technically do not have to fly any segments on Air Canada at all.

So, what's the catch? What are the restrictions?

There is no catch. However, there are some restrictions on your itinerary. This is where things get a bit more complicated.

Want to find the new MPM after 10/29/2014?
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM) - FlyerTalk Forums

This is no longer valid after 10/29/2014
1) Your itinerary must be within 5% of the total "Maximum Permitted Mileage" (MPM) for the route from the origin to the destination. Even though you are stopping in three cities by using your two stopovers and a final destination, you can define the destination as the stop city furthest away from the origin. Although certain flyers have gotten away with telling an inattentive phone rep that their final destination / "turnaround city" is one of their layover cities to increase their MPM, this does not always work. Sticking with one of your three stop cities is a safe bet.

MPM exist so that you cannot repeatedly fly around the world 10 times on your 10 segments. There is a limit to how many miles you can fly on the reward ticket. MPM guidelines can be found by using the KVS tool or by using Expert Flyer. MPM is calculated between your origin and your destination, one-way. The trips to and from your destination are calculated separately. You are allowed to overshoot this number by 5% ("MPM5"). If you can find a bookable itinerary online that has a mileage longer than the published MPM, this is a "published routing" and can be used even if it exceeds the MPM5. In KVS, navigate to the "Reference" tab, select "MPM" from the dropdown menu, and enter your city pair. MPM information is available under the Travel Information section of ExpertFlyer. It is available to all subscribers, Basic or Premium, and there is a 5-day free trial to ExpertFlyer.com that can be used.

To see if your itinerary fits your MPM limit, you can use the site here to see your total miles traveled: www.gcmap.com. Enter your airport codes separated by dashes to see the itinerary and get the total mileage (e.g. NYC - LHR - NYC). Example here.

TO READ MORE ABOUT MPM: Read this (short) document
2) If you do elect to use an open jaw instead of one of your stopovers, you must schedule the open jaw so that it is in the same "IATA zone" as either the origin or the destination city. So if you are going from NY to Japan to Europe and back to NY, the open jaw cannot be scheduled in Europe, since it is neither the origin zone or the destination zone. The open jaw also cannot be a larger distance than any two legs you are actually flying. In case you are wondering, IATA zones are as follows:

IATA 1 - The Americas (incl. Caribbean, Hawaii)
IATA 2 - Europe as far as the Ural Mountain range, Middle East & Africa
IATA 3 - Oceania, SE Asia, Far East, Sub-Continent.

Remember that if you use your open jaw at the turnaround/destination point, you will only have one stopover to use left. So you would be able to do NYC > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. This has one destination, one open jaw (at turnaround point), and one stopover. However, you would not be able to do this: NYC > Madrid (stop) > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. Because your 2 stops + 1 open jaw would be more than the two allowed.

3) You cannot land in the same city twice in any one direction. This means that on my way from NY to, let's say, Cairo, I cannot do New York > London > Paris > London > Cairo on the way there, since I would be stopping in London twice in one direction. However, I can stop in London on the way to Cairo and then again on the way back from Cairo.

4) The actual trip needs to be "bookable". It needs to follow certain rules. I won't get into too many details, but anything completely nonsensical in terms of routing is generally not going to fly. But most routes will not fall into this category. Just something to keep in mind.


Do I have to go in the same direction for every leg of the flight?

No. As an example, you can cross the Atlantic twice or cross both the Atlantic and the Pacific once (more like a real RTW trip).


How do I book this?

Assuming you have already planned out your entire itinerary to the dot and have made sure your trip is in accordance with the above restrictions, call Aeroplan and speak with a representative. Alternatively, you can try to book online for free. However, this is not always possible with more complicated routings.


What will this cost me in real cash? How can I minimize fees?
It depends on the region you travel to and which airline you fly on. In general, the more Air Canada segments you fly the more fees/taxes you will pay. Aeroplan does not collect surcharges on non-Air Canada-operated flights. So flying Air Canada internationally will cost you extra. If you use a lot of Air Canada flights in your mini-RTW, your fees could be anywhere from $150 to $400, even sometimes creeping up above $600. Lesson is to avoid AC "metal" (airplanes) if possible.

Every trip will have a $30 cost per person for booking on the phone, regardless of the itinerary.


What are the change fees if I want to change a leg or multiple legs of the trip later?

$90 for changes after original booking. If there is an involuntary change because of flight schedules changing, there is no fee charged. Note that when you make a change, the taxes/fees associated with fuel, etc. may change. They may decrease or increase depending on the previous flight and the new flight. This is independent of the $90 rebooking fee. The $90 is flat regardless of how many of the segments you change. It is not $90 per changed segment.


How do I plan this trip out? Even finding a simple award ticket can be difficult online, let alone one with 10 segments!

Good question. It is recommended that you use either the All-Nippon Airways (ANA) website (guide on how here), the KVS tool (costs money) or ExpertFlyer (costs money), or http://FliSea.com. I personally like to use KVS, but it is not newbie-friendly. It is $20 for 2 months for the "diamond" level service, and $75 for a year. Small price to pay for saving a lot of time, if you can handle the learning curve. ANA is a good free method of finding segments and many people have had plenty of success with it; FliSea is a metasearch tool that uses all of the sites above.

The trick is to do this one segment at a time. So first find NYC > LONDON for the date you want and make sure that the award class you are looking for is available (e.g. Economy low fare). Then do the next leg: LONDON > ROME. Repeat for every segment. Write down the details of each flight, calculate the mileage using the www.gcmap.com resource, and call up Aeroplan to book.

One of our Flyertalk members has built a database with all the Mini-RTW routes that have been flown in the various threads in one simple place: http://www.turnleftat.com/mini-rtw-list/
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Old Nov 30, 2017, 10:32 am
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Booked a mini-RTW via Aeroplan, it has ticketed and I have all my booking reference numbers, but when I put the booking reference number into the partner airlines, it errors out. Trip was booked 10+ days ago. How do I go about selecting my seat on SN, LX, TK when booking through AP?

Trip is in next Spring/Summer
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Old Nov 30, 2017, 11:44 am
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Originally Posted by ennsy
Booked a mini-RTW via Aeroplan, it has ticketed and I have all my booking reference numbers, but when I put the booking reference number into the partner airlines, it errors out. Trip was booked 10+ days ago. How do I go about selecting my seat on SN, LX, TK when booking through AP?

Trip is in next Spring/Summer
An AC-ticketed reservation involves a title before your name (i.e. M John Doe or Mrs Jane Doe or some such). My experience with LX is that you need to put this title at the end of the first name to access the booking (i.e. JOHNM DOE or JANEMRS DOE). Try that. With TK, using the last name and the booking ref brought me to a window where I had to input the complete ticket number (014.....) and then I could access the booking.
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Old Nov 30, 2017, 11:48 am
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Originally Posted by jasdou
An AC-ticketed reservation involves a title before your name (i.e. M John Doe or Mrs Jane Doe or some such). My experience with LX is that you need to put this title at the end of the first name to access the booking (i.e. JOHNM DOE or JANEMRS DOE). Try that. With TK, using the last name and the booking ref brought me to a window where I had to input the complete ticket number (014.....) and then I could access the booking.
Yes I can get into LX, but no option for seat selection. TK I can't even get in at all.
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Old Nov 30, 2017, 11:50 am
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Originally Posted by ennsy
Booked a mini-RTW via Aeroplan, it has ticketed and I have all my booking reference numbers, but when I put the booking reference number into the partner airlines, it errors out. Trip was booked 10+ days ago. How do I go about selecting my seat on SN, LX, TK when booking through AP?

Trip is in next Spring/Summer
I'm not sure about the other airlines but for TK, I had to use my booking reference number on the TK website, and then it'll ask you for your ticket number, which can be found when you log into the aeroplan website --> manage rewards --> details (of your travel reward). I think you can only reserve your TK seat 100 days before travel though.
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Old Nov 30, 2017, 11:51 am
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Originally Posted by ennsy
Yes I can get into LX, but no option for seat selection. TK I can't even get in at all.
When was this ticketed? I'd give it a few days and try again. And if it still doesn't work, contact LX and TK directly with the ref numbers and ticket number to make sure everything is fine. LX is also quite responsive on Twitter.
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Old Nov 30, 2017, 11:57 am
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Ticketed over 10+ days ago. TK I'm speaking with on FB and they're helpful. LX hasn't replied yet and SN is working on it.
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Old Dec 2, 2017, 9:02 pm
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LX Booking Reference Number

I had a ZRH-BKK segment on LX as part of my next mini-rtw, I entered the 014 ticket number, my names, and it worked. This was on the Swiss site directly. ^
I then got the other booking reference numbers a few minutes later on the manage bookings area on AP.
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Old Dec 2, 2017, 9:11 pm
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What Cities To Add To JNB/CPT Trip?

A question for the experts here:

I'm looking to fly from YYZ-JNB, so in what other cities should I stay as part of the 150K outlay without exceeding mpm?

Would YYZ-LHR (3-5 days' stay), then LHR-IST (3-5 days), then IST-JNB (final stop) be valid, provided there aren't too many connections?

I know the UK ADP will be a killer, as well as SAA fuel surcharges, but finishing off my *A bucket list is among the reasons for this trip.

Thanks for any help you can provide!
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Old Dec 2, 2017, 9:47 pm
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Saa doesn't charge fuel surcharges as long as your trans Atlantic is on a non charging airline. However that's a lot more connections just to avoid YQ
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Old Dec 2, 2017, 10:03 pm
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Yeah, the return flights in August seem to involve AC, which also adds to the high cost. I might save the JNB for 2019 if I can't find anything for August... Or if there's the next $3500 fare sale, that would be better value, instead.

Originally Posted by crimsona
Saa doesn't charge fuel surcharges as long as your trans Atlantic is on a non charging airline. However that's a lot more connections just to avoid YQ
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Old Dec 3, 2017, 5:25 pm
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Can I route through the US after a stopover, if my origin was in the US? For example, SFO-YYZ // YYZ-ORD-ZRH // ZRH-SFO ?
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Old Dec 3, 2017, 6:41 pm
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Originally Posted by ennsy
Booked a mini-RTW via Aeroplan, it has ticketed and I have all my booking reference numbers, but when I put the booking reference number into the partner airlines, it errors out. Trip was booked 10+ days ago. How do I go about selecting my seat on SN, LX, TK when booking through AP?

Trip is in next Spring/Summer
TK you can call in 100 days out.
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Old Dec 3, 2017, 7:03 pm
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Originally Posted by TTC192Rocket
A question for the experts here:

I'm looking to fly from YYZ-JNB, so in what other cities should I stay as part of the 150K outlay without exceeding mpm?

Would YYZ-LHR (3-5 days' stay), then LHR-IST (3-5 days), then IST-JNB (final stop) be valid, provided there aren't too many connections?

I know the UK ADP will be a killer, as well as SAA fuel surcharges, but finishing off my *A bucket list is among the reasons for this trip.

Thanks for any help you can provide!
If you bump it up to 160K you can do a true RTW

Here's what I did in Feb of last year:

yyz-iad
iad-pty
pty-bsb (stop)
bsb-gru
gru-jnb (stop)
jnb-per (p.o.t.)
per-sin
sin-icn
icn-lax
lax-yyz

J 160000
438$ taxes

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=yyz-iad...sb-gru-jnb-per
15 491 mi
That will give you an idea of what mileage you can play with

If you got creative you could include EZE and CPT as well. I couldn't with my travel dates but its possible
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Old Dec 3, 2017, 11:00 pm
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Why can't I find any business class seats with United from YVR to ORD? Only AC shows up... Looking for April 2018 and onwards
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Old Dec 4, 2017, 3:34 am
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Thanks, WhisperjetYYZ! I'll look into it more carefully once I can set my vacation dates. Might be able to block off 2-3 weeks for such an itinerary.

Originally Posted by WhisperjetYYZ
If you bump it up to 160K you can do a true RTW

Here's what I did in Feb of last year:

yyz-iad
iad-pty
pty-bsb (stop)
bsb-gru
gru-jnb (stop)
jnb-per (p.o.t.)
per-sin
sin-icn
icn-lax
lax-yyz

J 160000
438$ taxes

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=yyz-iad...sb-gru-jnb-per
15 491 mi
That will give you an idea of what mileage you can play with

If you got creative you could include EZE and CPT as well. I couldn't with my travel dates but its possible
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