Mini RTW Questions
Oct 23, 2014, 2:23 pm
#3301
Join Date: Oct 2013
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So, to go back to the original question, how does this add up if I'm trying to go (for example) YVR-YUL-BRU on the outbound?
MPM5 for YVR-BRU is 6159, so if I've got this right:
YVR-YUL-ZRH-BRU exceeds MPM5 at 6331 actual miles flown, but should still work because there's no direct YUL-BRU routing, and MPM for the routing is calculated as if there were - as if I were flying YVR-YUL-BRU direct - and ignores the stop in ZRH?
In a perfect world, we're hoping to fly:
YVR-YYZ-WAW-BRU or YVR-YUL-ZRH-BRU outbound
and
ZRH-IST-YUL-YVR on the return
With 22 hours in WAW and 22 hours in IST.
Though I suppose if we throw a short BRU-ZRH regional leg in the middle, then it makes ZRH the POT and increases the MPM?
Oct 23, 2014, 4:04 pm
#3302
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AC flies direct YUL-BRU, soooooo
also
ZRH-IST-YUL-YVR will in no way be legal.
Oct 23, 2014, 7:00 pm
#3303
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I'm not surprised that ZRH-IST-YUL-YVR won't work, but I'd be curious to know why that's the case? Others have shown success booking comparable itineraries to Eastern Canada, is it the YVR leg that breaks MPM?
I ask as I'm in a situation where the difference in YQ, per ticket, between flying TK or LO out of the East, and flying LH or AC out of the West, would cover a Y revenue fare to Montreal with several hundred dollars to spare.
Oct 23, 2014, 7:50 pm
#3304
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: PVR
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MS or ET?
I need to make changes to an previously booked mini-rtw. What I mostly need is to change my return and I think I have that figured out. Though it includes an SQ flight from SIN-IST that shows available on ANA but not on aeroplan. I have a backup through CAN if that doesn't work though so that part is covered.
I would like to also change my outbound if possible. Not a lot of low YQ options for my preferred departure date (Dec 25). There were a couple of NY flights I was looking at but I lost the YOW-JFK/LGA availability. And there was YUL-ZRH on Dec 24 a couple of days ago but it went fast.
So now I am left with either YOW-YYZ-CAI-DXB-SIN-BKK or YOW-YYZ-ADD-DXB-SIN-BKK. 1 hour difference in the departure time from YOW and the same last 2 flights. My question is has anyone flown on the flights to CAI & ADD? ADD seems better with the 787 but I've never flown them. I did fly MS last year CAI-BKK and it was ok IMHO but not great so I'm leaning towards the ET flights.
I know it's a long trip, but leaving the 25th is much better than the dates I already have and it's not an easy time of year to find options!
Thoughts?
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Crap! I didn't think about mpm and I think the ADD route is over. Can anyone confirm? Any chance it would go through anyway or do they usually catch that?
I would like to also change my outbound if possible. Not a lot of low YQ options for my preferred departure date (Dec 25). There were a couple of NY flights I was looking at but I lost the YOW-JFK/LGA availability. And there was YUL-ZRH on Dec 24 a couple of days ago but it went fast.
So now I am left with either YOW-YYZ-CAI-DXB-SIN-BKK or YOW-YYZ-ADD-DXB-SIN-BKK. 1 hour difference in the departure time from YOW and the same last 2 flights. My question is has anyone flown on the flights to CAI & ADD? ADD seems better with the 787 but I've never flown them. I did fly MS last year CAI-BKK and it was ok IMHO but not great so I'm leaning towards the ET flights.
I know it's a long trip, but leaving the 25th is much better than the dates I already have and it's not an easy time of year to find options!
Thoughts?
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Crap! I didn't think about mpm and I think the ADD route is over. Can anyone confirm? Any chance it would go through anyway or do they usually catch that?
Last edited by tryinginvain; Oct 23, 2014 at 7:55 pm Reason: MPM?
Oct 23, 2014, 9:56 pm
#3305
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Ah, searched AC.com for YUL-BRU and only saw connection results, maybe the dates I searched were just full on direct.
I'm not surprised that ZRH-IST-YUL-YVR won't work, but I'd be curious to know why that's the case? Others have shown success booking comparable itineraries to Eastern Canada, is it the YVR leg that breaks MPM?
I ask as I'm in a situation where the difference in YQ, per ticket, between flying TK or LO out of the East, and flying LH or AC out of the West, would cover a Y revenue fare to Montreal with several hundred dollars to spare.
I'm not surprised that ZRH-IST-YUL-YVR won't work, but I'd be curious to know why that's the case? Others have shown success booking comparable itineraries to Eastern Canada, is it the YVR leg that breaks MPM?
I ask as I'm in a situation where the difference in YQ, per ticket, between flying TK or LO out of the East, and flying LH or AC out of the West, would cover a Y revenue fare to Montreal with several hundred dollars to spare.
Oct 23, 2014, 10:39 pm
#3306
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...but something like GVA-IST-YUL would work, as it's the YVR leg that puts it over?
Oct 24, 2014, 9:32 am
#3308
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But I suspect it should be identical.
Oct 25, 2014, 3:02 pm
#3309
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Nov 2, 2014, 4:01 pm
#3310
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http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/e...eng/00522.html
Section 74.05 of the Competition Act is a civil provision. It prohibits the sale or rent of a product at a price higher than its advertised price. The provision does not apply if the advertised price was a mistake and the error was immediately corrected.
Section 74.05 of the Competition Act is a civil provision. It prohibits the sale or rent of a product at a price higher than its advertised price. The provision does not apply if the advertised price was a mistake and the error was immediately corrected.
But the error was NOT corrected. They issued your ticket and, essentially, sold you the good - and called you later to tell you they will be sending some heavies by to collect the difference. And once again, a reasonable person can assume that since your ultimate destination is CDG, well, that was the right price to pay.
Currently writing a letter to AP.
She quoted AP Flight Reward T&C section 5.1
5.1. If any allowable stopover point is in a different region than the flight reward destination, the higher reward mileage level will apply.
However, she agreed that because of the sequence of events, I will get the reward at 90k. Ticket was reissued again and 60k aeroplans were dumped into my account.
I'm not going to push for a $16.70 refund for top-up miles
.A refund for $16.70 just appeared on my Amex.
Nov 13, 2014, 7:52 am
#3311
Join Date: Dec 2009
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I'm currently in Beijing in the middle of a mini-RTW in J. I'm schedule to land in Frankfurt at 5:00 AM and then taking LHR to Amsterdam at 7:10 AM. What are the chances I can change my flight to one later in the day for free once I land at FRA? There is award space on flights at 9:00 AM and 12:30 AM on LHR.
Nov 13, 2014, 8:09 am
#3312
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I'm currently in Beijing in the middle of a mini-RTW in J. I'm schedule to land in Frankfurt at 5:00 AM and then taking LHR to Amsterdam at 7:10 AM. What are the chances I can change my flight to one later in the day for free once I land at FRA? There is award space on flights at 9:00 AM and 12:30 AM on LHR.
So you can do it for $102.
Nov 13, 2014, 8:10 am
#3313
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I'm currently in Beijing in the middle of a mini-RTW in J. I'm schedule to land in Frankfurt at 5:00 AM and then taking LHR to Amsterdam at 7:10 AM. What are the chances I can change my flight to one later in the day for free once I land at FRA? There is award space on flights at 9:00 AM and 12:30 AM on LHR.
Nov 13, 2014, 8:12 am
#3314
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I have a J-Class AE ticket booked for my mother with a return SYD-YVR-YYZ-YUL. The last segment YYZ-YUL is in economy though. There is a 3 hour or so layover in Toronto, so I am wondering if she will be able to access the maple leaf lounge as the ticket is in busines?
Nov 13, 2014, 10:08 am
#3315
Join Date: Dec 2011
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I have a J-Class AE ticket booked for my mother with a return SYD-YVR-YYZ-YUL. The last segment YYZ-YUL is in economy though. There is a 3 hour or so layover in Toronto, so I am wondering if she will be able to access the maple leaf lounge as the ticket is in busines?