Global Entry - Dual Citizenship
#46
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My wife is a naturalized US citizen, and has approved dual citizenship from her country of origin. She is scheduled for a Global Entry interview, and we're wondering if she needs to bring her non US passport to the interview in addition to her US passport, or if she'll even be asked about dual citizenship.
Does anyone have any insight or experience?
Does anyone have any insight or experience?
I'd bring both, just in case as they'll see her birth country in her US passport. CBP is mainly concerned about her US citizenship as she'll use her US passport in the GE machine.
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I brought both of mine for my NEXUS interview after having entered both in GOES. Best bet is to bring them both; it's much better to have too much documentation with you than too little!
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My wife is a naturalized US citizen, and has approved dual citizenship from her country of origin. She is scheduled for a Global Entry interview, and we're wondering if she needs to bring her non US passport to the interview in addition to her US passport, or if she'll even be asked about dual citizenship.
Does anyone have any insight or experience?
Does anyone have any insight or experience?
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For those with dual citizenship, did you acknowledge this during the application/interview? I know the USA does not recognize dual citizenship, but I am wondering if either hiding it or mentioning it would cause one to be disqualified. I asked during my interview and he said it would not disqualify, but I wanted to make sure before my friend applies. The non-USA citizenship was obtained by birth, the USA was naturalized. Thank you.
My buddy has USA and Ukraine passport. He is doing fine.
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Correcting an erroneous statement upthread - the USA most certainly DOES recognize dual or even multiple citizenship in the following circumstances:
1. a foreign national retaining their birth citizenship and passport after naturalizing as a US citizen
2. a natural born US citizen who acquires foreign citizenship and passport by parental birthright
The USA frowns upon the following:
1. a naturalized US citizen seeking by application and acquiring citizenship in a foreign country - this can cost you your US citizenship
I have two passports - one by birth and one by naturalization and both are part of my Nexus and GE profiles and not only was it never an issue, it was expected that I would register both for Nexus (as one of the passports is Canadian).
1. a foreign national retaining their birth citizenship and passport after naturalizing as a US citizen
2. a natural born US citizen who acquires foreign citizenship and passport by parental birthright
The USA frowns upon the following:
1. a naturalized US citizen seeking by application and acquiring citizenship in a foreign country - this can cost you your US citizenship
I have two passports - one by birth and one by naturalization and both are part of my Nexus and GE profiles and not only was it never an issue, it was expected that I would register both for Nexus (as one of the passports is Canadian).
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in 1967, in the case of Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 US 253, the United States Supreme Court held that "Congress has no power under the Constitution to divest a person of his United States citizenship absent his voluntary renunciation thereof."
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There was another thread on dual-national and losing US citizenship. I think you either have to present yourself in front of a US consular official and state your intent, do the paperwork, pay the fees etc or declare war against the US to lose your citizenship.
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That ruling differs from paperwork I was given during the naturalization process - where voluntarily taking up citizenship of a new country (not by birthright) would abandon US citizenship.
I agree that no natural born citizen of the US can be stripped of their citizenship without consent.
I agree that no natural born citizen of the US can be stripped of their citizenship without consent.
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Correcting an erroneous statement upthread - the USA most certainly DOES recognize dual or even multiple citizenship in the following circumstances:
1. a foreign national retaining their birth citizenship and passport after naturalizing as a US citizen
2. a natural born US citizen who acquires foreign citizenship and passport by parental birthright
The USA frowns upon the following:
1. a naturalized US citizen seeking by application and acquiring citizenship in a foreign country - this can cost you your US citizenship
I have two passports - one by birth and one by naturalization and both are part of my Nexus and GE profiles and not only was it never an issue, it was expected that I would register both for Nexus (as one of the passports is Canadian).
1. a foreign national retaining their birth citizenship and passport after naturalizing as a US citizen
2. a natural born US citizen who acquires foreign citizenship and passport by parental birthright
The USA frowns upon the following:
1. a naturalized US citizen seeking by application and acquiring citizenship in a foreign country - this can cost you your US citizenship
I have two passports - one by birth and one by naturalization and both are part of my Nexus and GE profiles and not only was it never an issue, it was expected that I would register both for Nexus (as one of the passports is Canadian).
In practice, the US does consider in some circumstances the non-US citizenship status of US dual-citizens -- for some examples: when considering how to respond to an application to renounce US citizenship; or when considering placement of persons on the "disposition matrix".
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That ruling differs from paperwork I was given during the naturalization process - where voluntarily taking up citizenship of a new country (not by birthright) would abandon US citizenship.
I agree that no natural born citizen of the US can be stripped of their citizenship without consent.
I agree that no natural born citizen of the US can be stripped of their citizenship without consent.
The US Supreme Court considered whether Congress can enact laws stripping Americans of their citizenship - which they never voluntarily renounced or given up - and held that naturalized citizens enjoy the same protections as native citizens and there is a constitutional right to remain a citizen of the United States unless one voluntarily renounces that citizenship.
That is still a valid holding. I strongly recommend that you read that decision.
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Afroyim, the plaintiff in the Supreme Court case that I cited above, was born in Poland in 1893. He immigrated to the US in 1912 and became a naturalized American citizen in 1926. He subsequently immigrated to Israel in 1950 and voted in Israeli elections in 1951. In 1960, when he applied for renewal of his United States passport, the State Department refused to issue one on the ground that he relinquished his US citizenship by voting in a political election of a foreign state in violation of the Nationality Act of 1940.
The US Supreme Court considered whether Congress can enact laws stripping Americans of their citizenship - which they never voluntarily renounced or given up - and held that naturalized citizens enjoy the same protections as native citizens and there is a constitutional right to remain a citizen of the United States unless one voluntarily renounces that citizenship.
That is still a valid holding. I strongly recommend that you read that decision.
The US Supreme Court considered whether Congress can enact laws stripping Americans of their citizenship - which they never voluntarily renounced or given up - and held that naturalized citizens enjoy the same protections as native citizens and there is a constitutional right to remain a citizen of the United States unless one voluntarily renounces that citizenship.
That is still a valid holding. I strongly recommend that you read that decision.
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Don't worry about losing U.S. citizenship. They have made it incredibly difficult to do even when you want to. Take a look at the renunciation taxes that have been imposed and the procedural requirements.
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Citizenships of naturalized US citizens can be revoked if it is proven that they were obtained fraudulently or that the applications included false information. That's how former Nazi concentration camp guards and war criminals were stripped of their US citizenships and deported for lying about their wartime activities on their immigration and citizenship applications.
Example:
The U.S. District Court in Pittsburgh today revoked the U.S. citizenship of Anton Geiser of Sharon, Pa., because of his participation in Nazi-sponsored acts of persecution while serving during World War II as an armed SS guard at Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp and other places of persecution, Assistant Attorney General Alice S. Fisher of the Criminal Division and U.S. Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan of the Western District of Pennsylvania announced today.
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Geiser, 81, immigrated to the United States from Austria in October 1956, and was naturalized as a U.S. citizen in March 1962. The district court found that he was not eligible for citizenship because his service to Nazi Germany made him ineligible to immigrate to the United States. Geiser's service as an armed SS guard, the court concluded, "clearly assisted in the persecution of the prisoners" held by the Nazis at Sachsenhausen, Buchenwald and Arolsen.
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Geiser, 81, immigrated to the United States from Austria in October 1956, and was naturalized as a U.S. citizen in March 1962. The district court found that he was not eligible for citizenship because his service to Nazi Germany made him ineligible to immigrate to the United States. Geiser's service as an armed SS guard, the court concluded, "clearly assisted in the persecution of the prisoners" held by the Nazis at Sachsenhausen, Buchenwald and Arolsen.
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Let me add a caveat.
Citizenships of naturalized US citizens can be revoked if it is proven that they were obtained fraudulently or that the applications included false information. That's how former Nazi concentration camp guards and war criminals were stripped of their US citizenships and deported for lying about their wartime activities on their immigration and citizenship applications.
Citizenships of naturalized US citizens can be revoked if it is proven that they were obtained fraudulently or that the applications included false information. That's how former Nazi concentration camp guards and war criminals were stripped of their US citizenships and deported for lying about their wartime activities on their immigration and citizenship applications.
Going after some naturalized person in the US because they left off a middle name (which maybe they didn't even know they had or which they knew but didn't like) on an immigration or citizenship application isn't exactly a high priority for US federal prosecutors .... unless perhaps something else is going on than just that.
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Going after some naturalized person in the US because they left off a middle name (which maybe they didn't even know they had or which they knew but didn't like) on an immigration or citizenship application isn't exactly a high priority for US federal prosecutors .... unless perhaps something else is going on than just that.
Here is the relevant section of the Department of Homeland Security Policy Manual:
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