Knee Defender Gadget
Nov 21, 2014, 5:47 am
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Rather than penalising the bloke in front of you if you're tall, which is really your problem, just quit being a cheapass and buy a premium ticket like the rest of us. Your "courtesy cards" are ridiculous, the airlines have given you the option of extra space at cost and you've chosen sardine option. Let me highlight the important word in that sentence for you.
The appropriate response is to call the FA and explain the situation so they can handle it. But there is a temptation just to remove the offending item yourself to see if Knee Defender people would do anything about it. Most likely they wouldn't utter a peep.
Nov 21, 2014, 6:14 am
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It seems for KD users, courtesy is a one way street, only not for them.
Nov 21, 2014, 6:55 am
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The benefit of this thread is making the rest of us aware of them. Now before take off I do a quick test recline to see if the seat works. Should it suddenly stop working during the flight I can investigate to see whether some dumbass is using a Knee Defender on my seat. Then the fun can begin.
Nov 21, 2014, 7:19 am
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They do seem based on the posts here and the comments of the "inventor" to lean very heavily towards the jerk category.
The benefit of this thread is making the rest of us aware of them. Now before take off I do a quick test recline to see if the seat works. Should it suddenly stop working during the flight I can investigate to see whether some dumbass is using a Knee Defender on my seat. Then the fun can begin.
The benefit of this thread is making the rest of us aware of them. Now before take off I do a quick test recline to see if the seat works. Should it suddenly stop working during the flight I can investigate to see whether some dumbass is using a Knee Defender on my seat. Then the fun can begin.
And no mention of checking to see if the pax behind you has a lap-baby whose head you might smack if you recline.
IOW, no mention of you taking the time to establish full situational awareness before you exercise your "right" to recline.
You sound like the kind of guy who'd pleasantly drive right through a group of people crossing the street, "But they weren't in a crosswalk, and I had the right-of-way, eh."
Nov 21, 2014, 7:27 am
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I don't think it's much of a problem -- just notify an FA immediately. There's no way they will permit a passenger to use one of these on someone else's seat.
Nov 21, 2014, 8:04 am
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They do seem based on the posts here and the comments of the "inventor" to lean very heavily towards the jerk category.
The benefit of this thread is making the rest of us aware of them. Now before take off I do a quick test recline to see if the seat works. Should it suddenly stop working during the flight I can investigate to see whether some dumbass is using a Knee Defender on my seat. Then the fun can begin.
The benefit of this thread is making the rest of us aware of them. Now before take off I do a quick test recline to see if the seat works. Should it suddenly stop working during the flight I can investigate to see whether some dumbass is using a Knee Defender on my seat. Then the fun can begin.
Responses seem pretty selfish to me.
Solution = Forward cabins, not a 20 dollar piece of plastic tat.
Nov 21, 2014, 4:46 pm
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Interesting that, when you say you'll be checking things out before takeoff, you make no mention of checking to see if the pax seated behind you has long legs that your seatback would hit if you recline all the way.
And no mention of checking to see if the pax behind you has a lap-baby whose head you might smack if you recline.
IOW, no mention of you taking the time to establish full situational awareness before you exercise your "right" to recline.
And no mention of checking to see if the pax behind you has a lap-baby whose head you might smack if you recline.
IOW, no mention of you taking the time to establish full situational awareness before you exercise your "right" to recline.
And if one of the suckers you conned into buying a device prohibited by the airlines attempts to install it then they will have a problem.
Nov 21, 2014, 8:29 pm
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I generally stay out of these threads, but when a mod here says something as categorically, manifestly, factually untrue about Knee Defender... Well, here I am.
The US FAA has stated publicly, over a period of 11 years, on numerous occasions, that Knee Defender is legal to use on US aircraft, except at times when the tray table must be stowed.
Now, you may think the FAA is wrong to have decided that the product does not require FAA approval.
But as long as that is the FAA's position, then the product is legal, full stop.
And even let's say that the FAA should have decided that use of the product is subject to it's approval. Even in that case, unless and until it made that decision, the product is legal to use simply because the FAA has said it is.
So, damn the product and damn me for having invented it. But stop the nonsense about the product's legality. Ask any aviation attorney - tall, short, a recliner or not - and he/she will tell you that the product is legal to use on US aircraft.
The US FAA has stated publicly, over a period of 11 years, on numerous occasions, that Knee Defender is legal to use on US aircraft, except at times when the tray table must be stowed.
Now, you may think the FAA is wrong to have decided that the product does not require FAA approval.
But as long as that is the FAA's position, then the product is legal, full stop.
And even let's say that the FAA should have decided that use of the product is subject to it's approval. Even in that case, unless and until it made that decision, the product is legal to use simply because the FAA has said it is.
So, damn the product and damn me for having invented it. But stop the nonsense about the product's legality. Ask any aviation attorney - tall, short, a recliner or not - and he/she will tell you that the product is legal to use on US aircraft.
A moderator or not makes no difference, other than what relates to FlyerTalk.
Nonetheless, several airlines have banned the device from being used on their airline. And it was an airline employee who told me the device could not be used - I think, since your post, that person should have stated correctly "on takeoff or landing" and that on the airline in question it was banned by the airline - which still creates trouble for anyone insisting on their "right" to use the product on any airline banning it
I was too gullible. My apology. I hope not to ever have any "official business" with an aviation attorney. Ever.
I both check the person behind me before I recline and usually advocate successfully for myself before someone in front of me attempts to recline. I'm 6'3" / 193 cm and long of leg, so say, BA Euro Traveller and Club Euro Traveller at the new 30" pitch does not allow me to sit in such a way I dont block the seat in front of me.
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Nov 23, 2014, 1:43 pm
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There are few int'l airlines with this kind of seat in economy. But the top of the shell will still invade the behind pax "airspace".
And I'm pretty sure the Knee Defender won't work at these seats
And I'm pretty sure the Knee Defender won't work at these seats
Nov 23, 2014, 5:49 pm
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Nov 24, 2014, 6:13 am
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I would expect a person who buys this would be the type of person to turn off my reading light because it is too bright and bothers his/her eyes, and to reach across from the aisle seat to close the window shade because "the look of clouds is upsetting."
Nov 24, 2014, 12:28 pm
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The benefit of this thread is making the rest of us aware of them. Now before take off I do a quick test recline to see if the seat works. Should it suddenly stop working during the flight I can investigate to see whether some dumbass is using a Knee Defender on my seat. Then the fun can begin.
Nov 24, 2014, 12:38 pm
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I'm curious though, have things like that happened to you?
