FlyerTalker683455

Not very re assuring to see that Thailand's Civil Aviation failed a recent safety audit.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/..._campaign=news


This severely restricts TG and other carriers in their operations to Japan. I don't doubt other jurisdictions will follow.

behuman

Kudos to the Japanese ^.

Alarming, but not surprising. Thailand is on a slow and steady slope downhill and they will end where they deserve to be.

Creole Spirit

see other articles here (not immediately related to Thai, but in the end it could effect them; too):

http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/...i-flyers-wings
and
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/transport/509357/

....it remains to be seen how things develop....certainly a very "hot" issue....

Paella747

Korea is not allowing any new flights from Thailand either.......

transpac

Evidently just five TG charters in April affected but could expect more if Thailand doesn't make some improvements, other than the usual application of porcine lipstick.

Thai airlines could face ban on new flights after audit raises safety concerns

International Civil Aviation Organisation raises worries and now new international flights could be halted and more inspections are planned

Thailand is facing bans on new international flights and increased inspections after the International Civil Aviation Organisation flagged significant concerns about the country's aviation safety.

Thai Airways President Jarumporn Chotikasathein said it would have to cancel "about five" charter flights that were being planned for the April holiday schedule. He said Thai Airways and other Thai carriers will also have to undergo increased inspections by regulators from other countries as a result of the ICAO designation.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/articl...-raises-safety


Some background:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24327507-post67.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24393997-post76.html

MikeFromTokyo

Is there a safety issue with TG? I do not fly LCCs, and always feel very safe on TG and PG.

Could Japan's actions be motivated by protectionism of national carriers JL and NH, under the false pretense of safety concerns? What about truly unsafe airlines like CI (China Airlines) that fly to Japan?

I haven't fully read the above links, but am skeptical of claims that TG is unsafe.

jeruthetraveler

Many of the small carriers and charter flights (One Two GO airlines, City Air...) in Thailand are bringing the whole country's aviation industry down.

FlyerTalker683455

I think it's safe to say that any carrier remaining in Star Alliance is safe to
fly. However the overall safety culture in Thailand and those bottom tier LLCs are probably creating the issues as are the authorities refusing to follow proper international procedures.

transpac

No doubt that there are many issues being conflated here but the extremely poor results from the recent ICAO audit paints the Thai Civil Aviation Department, rather than any particular operators, in a very, very, very bad light.

From a linked article...


Transport Ministry to take over aviation supervision from Civil Aviation Department

February 18, 2015


The Transport Ministry plans to take over the supervisory responsibilities over the safety and aviation management from the Civil Aviation Department in a major restructure to improve the safety and aviation management standards, Deputy Transport Minister Arkhom Termpittayapaisit said today.

The restructuring is deemed necessary after the International Civil Aviation Organisation of the United Nations gave a poor audit rating of Thailand’s safety and aviation management by the CAD.

According to ICAO, Thailand scored 35.6 percent which is lower than Cambodia’s 40.18 percent and the lowest in Asean region.

However, Transport Minister Prajin Juntong said that the CAD must improve its performance in two areas namely supervision on safety and supervision on aviation management – that means the future issuance of operating licences to various domestic airports must be tightened up.

He said that the CAD would have to work out its working plan to upgrade its performance for submission to the ICAO within March 2.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/tra...ion-department

Aussie_flyer

The issue here is with the government regulators.

I expect Thai themselves are still running a very safe and compliant airline as they have for decades

travelislife

+1. It just doesn't give a good global impression and won't help TG improve it's booking situation as perception is reality to the buying public.

brunos

We have not heard directly from ICAO, only some "biased" responses by Thailand authorities. But the failings in the ICAO audit seem numerous, significant and hard to correct in the short-run, except with cosmetic changes which will not fool ICAO.

Even if TG is not a major culprit here, they could be badly hurt if EU takes some measures as they have done in the past for other countries. Given the current ambiance about safety in Europe, that is a not a negligible risk.

transpac

It seems like this issue may be quite a bit more severe than the "authorities" are letting on, with regards to potential sanctions? It is disappointing that the details of the ICAO audit have not yet been made public.



Prajin raises alarm as aviation watchdog rejects DCA remedy

Transport Minister Prajin Juntong has called an urgent meeting on Wednesday with state authorities after the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) rejected a corrective action plan submitted...

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/gene...cts-dca-remedy


Airlines in Thailand Face Bans Over Safety Concerns

BANGKOK — Thailand’s airlines are facing bans on new international flights and more inspections after the International Civil Aviation Organization flagged significant concerns about the country’s aviation safety, officials said on Friday.

The designation of Thailand as a “significant safety concern” has not been announced publicly by the aviation group, a United Nations agency, but governments were informed last week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/bu...-concerns.html


Thai airlines face scrutiny over safety, bans on new flights

THAILAND is facing bans on new international flights and increased inspections after the International Civil Aviation Organization flagged significant concerns about the country’s aviation safety, officials said.

The ICAO’s designation of Thailand as a “significant safety concern” has not been announced publicly by the U.N. agency but governments were informed last week. Kwak Young-pil, an official from South Korea’s Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport, said that the ICAO made the designation on March 20.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1227284352316



Related articles, opinions in Thai, use Google Translate to get a feel for content.

http://thaipublica.org/2015/03/veerathai-44/

http://thaipublica.org/2015/03/banyong-pongpanich_46/

FlyerTalker683455

... Emergency response plan

Action item 1) Paint over all Tg logos and decals.

...

transpac

Thais scramble to remove flight curbs

Meeting with Japan bureau bears no fruit


Thai airlines and tour operators are struggling to control the snowballing damage caused by the move by Japan and South Korea to restrict flights by certain Thailand-registered carriers to their nations...

http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/...e-flight-curbs