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May 29, 2016, 7:58 am

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You need a 4 engine training to get the type rating for the 340. So even thought they are basically the same planes you aren't allow to fly a 340 with a 330 type rating.

I'm surprised that SAS doesn't have more pilots that are rated on both models. That would make it a lot easier to use backup aircraft in case one scheduled aircraft goes tech. Or they could acquire a spare 330 as well...

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May 29, 2016, 8:56 am

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As I understand from a friend it is not that easy to maintain ratings on two types - even if they are very close. You need to do simulator and check flights on both individually, while also manage enough hours on regular flights to clock flight hours and make a profit for the airline.

May 29, 2016, 9:40 am

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You need a 4 engine training to get the type rating for the 340. So even thought they are basically the same planes you aren't allow to fly a 340 with a 330 type rating.

The question was more if SK trained their pilots on both...

May 29, 2016, 11:38 am

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LH pilots based in MUC fly both A330/A346. Can't imagine SK doesn"t do the same.

BTW, Hifly is again in ARN: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/cs-tfm

Is it to support SK or someone else? Looks like a charter to Chania/Kreta went out today.

May 30, 2016, 1:45 am

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And another cancellation:

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29MAY16
SK944 28MAY16 ORD-CPH cancelled
SK944 28MAY16 ORD-CPH cancelled due technical reasons.

Passengers will be rebooked by SAS.

May 30, 2016, 6:17 am

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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer

I don't know about pilots, but the cabin crew are usually doing both A330 and A340.

As far as I know the cabin crew need additional training too to be able to operate on both types. They are very similar, but there are still differences they need to be aware off.

Both pilots and cabin crew are trained on both types as far as I know, but not at the same time. And with all the additional crew SK had to train for the new A330 birds, I wouldn't be surprised if they got behind on the A340 training.

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Originally Posted by UA1K_no_more

I believe SK do train both pilots and cabin crew on both types, but they might be behind on the A340 training with all the training they had to with the 4 new A330 birds they received last year.

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Originally Posted by fassy

With 8 birds of each type and the schedule SK have for them, I can't imagine it would be a problem to clock enough flight hours, but simulator time could be the limiting factor with all the training for the new A330 birds they had to do. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the pilots are behind on the re-certification simulator training.

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It went to LIS this morning. Not a SK flight as far as I can see.

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And another cancellation:
29MAY16
SK944 28MAY16 ORD-CPH cancelled
SK944 28MAY16 ORD-CPH cancelled due technical reasons.

Passengers will be rebooked by SAS.

Any one knows what happened to LN-RKO? It's still in ORD, and no scheduled return so far. LN-RKM made the return flight scheduled for today.

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May 31, 2016, 9:15 am

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What happened to today's CPH-ORD flight? SAS is claiming it took off on its website but passengers and other indications are that it hasn't taken off due to incoming flight having a lightning strike or something.

May 31, 2016, 12:49 pm

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And another cancellation:

Same flight hit today, along with CPH-ORD.

And SK are saying they will email customers with revised itineraries rather than rebook them in person at CPH. And in typical fashion, EC 261/2004 is observed more in the breach than anything.

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Any one knows what happened to LN-RKO? It's still in ORD, and no scheduled return so far. LN-RKM made the return flight scheduled for today.

Lightning strike in a storm?

Jun 28, 2016, 3:34 am

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An A330E or A343 must have gone tech this week:

Code:

24JUN16
SK963 ARN-HKG 24JUN16 / SK964 HKG-ARN 25JUN16 cancelled
SK963 ARN-HKG 24JUN16 / SK964 HKG-ARN 25JUN16 cancelled due technical reasons.

Passengers will be rebooked by SAS

Jun 28, 2016, 8:50 am

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Originally Posted by oliver2002

An A330E or A343 must have gone tech this week:

Code:

24JUN16
SK963 ARN-HKG 24JUN16 / SK964 HKG-ARN 25JUN16 cancelled
SK963 ARN-HKG 24JUN16 / SK964 HKG-ARN 25JUN16 cancelled due technical reasons.

Passengers will be rebooked by SAS

LN-RKU was scheduled for the flight, but was only grounded on the 24. It was back in service on the 25.
LN-RKO was grounded on grounded on 22, 23 and 24.

If this is the first cancellation in about a month, I find it ok. All in all the reserve bird seems to spend more time on the ground than in the air at the moment, and I expect some of the flight it do, is just to keep it in good working conditions. Keeping these birds on the ground for too long and you will have to do a more rigorous check before next take off. Those birds are not designed to be on the ground.

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Jul 6, 2016, 12:32 am

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And they are short another aircraft.

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06JUL16
SK927/ SK928 06JUL16 CPH-BOS-CPH cancelled
SK927/ SK928 06JUL16 CPH-BOS-CPH cancelled due technical reasons.

Passengers will be rebooked by SAS.

05JUL16
SK926/05JUL16 IAD-CPH cancelled (05JUL16 16:15 UTC )
SK926/05JUL16 IAD-CPH cancelled due technical reasons.

Passengers will be rebooked by SAS

Jul 6, 2016, 2:18 am

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Since SK925 was not cancelled, guess LN-RKH must be tech at IAD.

Guess then LN-RKP can't pick up the slack easily at an out station.. however it should help avoid follow-up cancellations tomorrow.

Jul 6, 2016, 8:48 am

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Since SK925 was not cancelled, guess LN-RKH must be tech at IAD.

Guess then LN-RKP can't pick up the slack easily at an out station.. however it should help avoid follow-up cancellations tomorrow.

LN-RKP are flying a shorthaul round trip today according to flightradar24.com https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ln-rkp/
Not sure if it's a mistake on flightradar or whats going on. But since OY-KBD came back from Zurich a couple of days ago, SK in reality have 2 spare longhaul birds until they open the route to Miami later this year.

Jul 6, 2016, 9:38 am

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LN-RKP are flying a shorthaul round trip today according to flightradar24.com https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ln-rkp/
Not sure if it's a mistake on flightradar or whats going on.

LN-RKP flew a roundtrip to ATH due to lack of A321s today.

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But since OY-KBD came back from Zurich a couple of days ago, SK in reality have 2 spare longhaul birds until they open the route to Miami later this year.

That is correct, so you will see some A330 flights being covered by A340 like todays SK943

Jul 12, 2016, 11:56 am

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LN-RKP flew a roundtrip to ATH due to lack of A321s today.

It's quite expensive to use a A340 on a shorthaul compared to a A321. I know they do it on regular base in China, but it's the first time I've seen it happen in Europa or US.

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That is correct, so you will see some A330 flights being covered by A340 like todays SK943

SK943 is quite often operated by a A340. Actually it used to be a primarily A340 route.