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Old Apr 30, 2016, 12:36 pm
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OCTOBER 2016 UPDATE

LAX-JFK TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHTS:
Recent fare rule inclusions, effective October 2016, now prevent any routing via JFK on the non-stop transcontinental A321T aircraft. Any future booking will demand a significantly higher fare to route on the non-stops via JFK. Unless the fare rules are modified and these clauses are removed (highly doubtful), the ability to fly on the transcons via JFK is a thing of the past.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN LAX AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.

1. Same day turns possible on the E-jets and morning 738s.

2. Bonuses now based on fare paid.

3. As of OCTOBER 2016, best fares are now around $1000. Fare tends to rise a few hundred for 2 pax. Fares can also occasionally rise for no discernible reason, but the price spikes have thus far proven to be temporary. Fares have the trend to drop during the year. Keep checking for fares in the $700-$800 ranges for best possible pricing.

4. Airport hotels with shuttles - Crowne Plaza Panama Airport & Riande Aeropuerto. The CP is slightly closer; the Riande is slightly nicer. The CP shuttle leaves the hotel every :00 and :30 and runs 24 hours but they seem to leave a few minutes early as it had left when I went down at 4:00AM on the dot. Also, note UberX charges a US$14 surcharge on top of the ~US$2 fare. CP has poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbors on both sides including talking, crying baby etc. Had to wear earplugs to sleep.

5. Lounges:

Please refer to this thread for more detailed and accurate information on lounge access in general: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1656378-help-desk-will-i-have-lounge-access-access-rules-2016-a.html
LAX AIRPORT

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. PTY is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from PTY unless booking transcons since PTY is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.


AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the PTY flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Technically NONE (PTY under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>

AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from PTY. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>

AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from PTY on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>

NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>



OTHER AIRPORTS

SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
PTY - No lounge access (Copa with PP, or for a fee, for 7am or later flights)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)


6. PTY Customs:
Inbound to PTY -
  • 12 noon - no lines reported
  • 8PM Fri (5/27/16) - ~10 min line

Outbound to MIA -
  • 4:40am - no lines reported
7. Finding flights:

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

If you want the transcon bonus, enter the search with a connection in JFK. (e.g. LAX-JFK,JFK-MIA,MIA-PTY,PTY-JFK,JFK-SFO.) You can play around from there to get the best deal. Some of the better deals do not start and end in the same city (e.g. start in LAX, end in SFO may be cheaper than start/end in LAX).

Also, it's possible on the outbound portion to time it so you have no more than a 60-minute layover at JFK or MIA (though note that some of these flights aren't available on weekends). While yes, JFK is notorious for delays, this rarely applies for inbound red-eye flights. Also, note that AA 28 below is sometimes "hidden" if you're looking on Google Flights inside a much more expensive trip; that does not necessarily mean, however, that you can't get it for one of the trips under $1,000 (in other words, try it out to see).

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

Below is the shortest-possible outbound itinerary that has the LAX-JFK transcon on AA's A321T with flat-bed seats:

LAX-JFK on AA 28
10:45pm - 7:22am

JFK-MIA on AA 200
8:15am - 11:24am
(Note: AA has now switched all of the metal it used on this leg - on all JFK-MIA nonstops - to 757s instead of the 767s with international-style F & J seating.)***767 and 772 are back. Flight 200 is a 772**

MIA-PTY on AA 4434
12:33pm - 2:48pm
(Note: Even more distressingly, AA switched from using a 737 on this leg to an RJ, presumably because summer is off-peak season in Central America. The 6:05pm flight still uses a 737 if a full-size aircraft is a must.)
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Old Sep 29, 2016, 3:54 pm
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I edited the wiki where Transcon J with no status/gold/plat. They are allowed in OW J lounge. I know for sure, I went in when I was plat.
Not sure if non-AA OWS and OWE can get into the OW J and F lounge on a 2 class domestic flight.
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Old Sep 29, 2016, 5:46 pm
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Originally Posted by hiima
I edited the wiki where Transcon J with no status/gold/plat. They are allowed in OW J lounge. I know for sure, I went in when I was plat.
Not sure if non-AA OWS and OWE can get into the OW J and F lounge on a 2 class domestic flight.
Oh thanks so much for adding that. Yes you are right! Transcon J regardless of status is granted! I just edited my related post. I kept thinking after that I might have left one lounge out. It does get really confusing but hopefully now people can see exactly what lounge they can access based on type of flight and status.

Also, I can guarantee that non-AA oneworld emerald/sapphire do get in to the J and F lounge on any flight because I am a Qantas Platinum and I go to the Qantas First lounge for drinks and food prior to a flight to Vegas etc. AA EXP is amazing but having another emerald in different oneworld truly opens up every door literally.

This PTY run does make it not too difficult (comparing to achieving AA EXP) to get BA Gold / QF Platinum when maximizing sectors. I think it can be achieved doing at least 5 PTY runs at around 4K USD if planned right. Its the flight requirement on BA marketed/ QF marketed flights that is the difficult part for those living in USA and not traveling on the respective airlines' routes.
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Old Sep 30, 2016, 6:02 am
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Like a lot of folks, I've had my flights bumped around pretty substantially thanks to all the AA, ahem, problems. On the return, I'm flying MIA - LAX, instead of JFK - LAX. I'd originally been booked in J on the 767, but the flight I was on vanished and I was rebooked into F on the 737 - not an ideal proposition. After calling and complaining, I was able to get switched to F on the 77W, which still seems to be operating one flight a day from MIA to LAX.

My question is: though I don't have status with AA, does the MIA - LAX count as a transcon flight, and will I get lounge access in Miami?
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Old Sep 30, 2016, 6:28 am
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Originally Posted by Hoosier1710
Like a lot of folks, I've had my flights bumped around pretty substantially thanks to all the AA, ahem, problems. On the return, I'm flying MIA - LAX, instead of JFK - LAX. I'd originally been booked in J on the 767, but the flight I was on vanished and I was rebooked into F on the 737 - not an ideal proposition. After calling and complaining, I was able to get switched to F on the 77W, which still seems to be operating one flight a day from MIA to LAX.

My question is: though I don't have status with AA, does the MIA - LAX count as a transcon flight, and will I get lounge access in Miami?
Yes MIA-LAX on the 77W is transcon. If you are booked in J, you will have access in MIA and LAX. I used the LAX lounge while waiting for my positioning flight back which was a separate ticket. No questions asked by the agent.
Hard product is nice on the 77W, soft product can be better.
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Old Sep 30, 2016, 7:05 am
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Originally Posted by island82
Yes MIA-LAX on the 77W is transcon. If you are booked in J, you will have access in MIA and LAX. I used the LAX lounge while waiting for my positioning flight back which was a separate ticket. No questions asked by the agent.
Hard product is nice on the 77W, soft product can be better.
Thanks so much for the answer. Switching to the 77W means a 5 hour layover, so the lounge will help with that. I'm booked into P - so, discount first - for that leg, which means I'll be in one of the first 2 rows. Excited to see how they are.
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Old Sep 30, 2016, 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by Hoosier1710
Thanks so much for the answer. Switching to the 77W means a 5 hour layover, so the lounge will help with that. I'm booked into P - so, discount first - for that leg, which means I'll be in one of the first 2 rows. Excited to see how they are.
Should make for a wonderful flight. Please report back!
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Old Sep 30, 2016, 9:32 am
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Originally Posted by Hoosier1710
Thanks so much for the answer. Switching to the 77W means a 5 hour layover, so the lounge will help with that. I'm booked into P - so, discount first - for that leg, which means I'll be in one of the first 2 rows. Excited to see how they are.
Nice! I was in the J mini cabin behind F.
I had the same 5 hr layover on UIO run with 2 other FTer, killed it by lounge hopping (Admirals and Centurion) and some sushi.
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Old Sep 30, 2016, 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by jcatman
12/11 LAX-DFW-MIA-UIO

12/12 UIO-MIA-DFW-LAX

$961.00, in Business, with lie flat seating on 767 and 777 on the return.

16,572 EQM


Thanks a lot.... I just booked it and will at least maintain Plat status! Thanks again. Actually my booking is LAX-MIA with no stop in DFW. Flight states lie flat seating. Likewise on the return is MIA-LAX no DFW stop. Again, states, lie flat seating... Hope that is correct. The service did match with seat guru. So I think I'm good.

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Old Sep 30, 2016, 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by holling911
Thanks a lot.... I just booked it and will at least maintain Plat status! Thanks again.
Please report back.

I've yet to do that mileage run to UIO. The lie-flats on wide-body equipment become available when you introduce DFW into the itinerary. Flying direct from MIA-LAX is on a 321 most of the time, and that F product does not impress.

Please share your experience once you finish your trip. There is a different discussion thread for that particular premium mileage run.
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Old Sep 30, 2016, 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Hoosier1710
I'm flying MIA - LAX, instead of JFK - LAX. I'd originally been booked in J on the 767...After calling and complaining, I was able to get switched to F on the 77W, which still seems to be operating one flight a day from MIA to LAX.
That is incredible that the agent changed you from First on a 2-class 737 recliner to FIRST on a 3-class 777-300ER, the best seat of whats on offer by AA. I have had IRROPS but Ive only been able to get an agent to put me in J on a transcontinental 3-class when Ive originally booked either J 3-class or F 2-class. While the meal service isn't dramatically different in F versus J on the transcon (no caviar or Dom), you do get additional meal choices, additional courses, larger sundaes, more personalized service, and higher quality of wine. The hard product is top notch as well.

You have access to the oneworld premium lounge in MIA which is better than the AC especially on a 5 hour layover. Another perk for flying First on a 3-class aircraft.

You are very lucky the agent didn't see that you were originally booked in J as they'd certainly put you in J on the 3-class MIA-LAX! Just another event where AA agents make mistakes and in this case to your benefit!!
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Old Sep 30, 2016, 3:31 pm
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Originally Posted by wanderlust4life
That is incredible that the agent changed you from First on a 2-class 737 recliner to FIRST on a 3-class 777-300ER, the best seat of whats on offer by AA. I have had IRROPS but Ive only been able to get an agent to put me in J on a transcontinental 3-class when Ive originally booked either J 3-class or F 2-class. While the meal service isn't dramatically different in F versus J on the transcon (no caviar or Dom), you do get additional meal choices, additional courses, larger sundaes, more personalized service, and higher quality of wine. The hard product is top notch as well.

You have access to the oneworld premium lounge in MIA which is better than the AC especially on a 5 hour layover. Another perk for flying First on a 3-class aircraft.

You are very lucky the agent didn't see that you were originally booked in J as they'd certainly put you in J on the 3-class MIA-LAX! Just another event where AA agents make mistakes and in this case to your benefit!!
FWIW - Starting in late oct/early Nov, The am flight 777 on the MIA-LAX route is the new two class international, not a 77W.

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Old Sep 30, 2016, 4:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Global321
FWIW - The 777 on the MIA-LAX route is the new two class international, not a 77W.
No not true.

I hate to say this but you are misinformed. It is a 3-class 77W (777-300ER) that flies everyday at approximately 5pm to LAX and then onward to SYD on AA73. I know this first hand because I have flown on the same aircraft from MIA-LAX-SYD over 10 times this past year. Also you can check EF and AA275 is operated daily by a 77W. A 77W also flies daily from LAX-MIA around 11am as AA68. These 77W flights offer the exact same transcontinental service of J and F respectively as offered on JFK-LAX/SFO. All ground benefits also apply for flying on these flights.

Below is a confirmed upcoming reservation on this flight in less than 4 weeks.

Also you can see an actual routing of one of the 77Ws (N733AR). Even though the aircraft may come from different cities such as Buenos Aires and London, the same exact plane is scheduled for MIA-LAX-SYD-LAX-MIA regardless of where its coming from before arriving at MIA. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n733ar
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Old Sep 30, 2016, 4:31 pm
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[QUOTE=wanderlust4life;27285520].

You have access to the oneworld premium lounge in MIA which is better than the AC especially on a 5 hour layover. Another perk for flying First on a 3-class aircraft.
Pass through MIA frequently, but am not aware of a dedicated one world lounge of any type.
Could you please clarify where this lounge is located?
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Old Sep 30, 2016, 4:44 pm
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[QUOTE=rens;27286043]
Originally Posted by wanderlust4life
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You have access to the oneworld premium lounge in MIA which is better than the AC especially on a 5 hour layover. Another perk for flying First on a 3-class aircraft.
Pass through MIA frequently, but am not aware of a dedicated one world lounge of any type.
Could you please clarify where this lounge is located?
Sure! Heres the info on the lounge. NOW don't expect it to be at the same level as the oneworld J lounge in LAX. Its FAR from that. As you can see from the photos, its not very modern despite it not even being an old lounge! It does have much more food both hot and cold (quality debatable) and extensive alcohol selection (self-pouring!). However, still a great difference from the current Admirals Club. Its a good place for the time being once a brand new Flagship Lounge and Flagship dining begins at MIA in 2017.

Even if departing from D gates, you can take the airside connector to E. Its the same type of situation like LAX at T4 to TBIT. All airside.

Located in Concourse E just beyond the security checkpoint on the fifth floor, the AA, BA, IB Premium lounge is open daily from 1 p.m. to 11 p.m. and welcomes oneworld eligible International First Class, Business Class and Emerald and Sapphire customers. Admirals Club members, when departing from Concourse E, with no guest may also access the lounge. ALSO First 3-class customers traveling to LAX on the transcon service.
Premium Lounge Services

6,000 square feet
seating capacity: 120
work stations with HP Compaq dc7900 PCs
complimentary high-speed Internet access,
two TV lounges with flat-panel TVs
a children's room with HP PCs outfitted with age-appropriate programming
spa-like showers
complimentary premium liquors, wines and beer
complimentary coffee, tea, sodas and water
complimentary lunch, afternoon tea or light supper menu
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Old Sep 30, 2016, 10:12 pm
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my april LAX-MIA & MIA-LAX changed to 738!! I specifically choose this for the lie flat seat, so I don't need to go JFK.... big mistake.

any chance to cancel the ticket to fly somewhere else...
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