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MH370 Discussion and Speculation Thread
Mar 21, 2014, 12:49 pm
#871
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The Daily Mail has the Malaysian witness story
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sappeared.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sappeared.html
Mar 21, 2014, 1:39 pm
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What happened to MH370? A pilot and a flight attendant give their views
This may sound obvious to many readers of this forum, but the article answers a lot of questions in a non-technial way.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-missing-plane
The Guardian spoke to a long-haul commercial pilot and a former Thomas Cook flight attendant – people who understand aeroplane emergency procedures and rules about access to the cockpit and communication systems – about key details in the competing theories doing the rounds about the plane's fate.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-missing-plane
The Guardian spoke to a long-haul commercial pilot and a former Thomas Cook flight attendant – people who understand aeroplane emergency procedures and rules about access to the cockpit and communication systems – about key details in the competing theories doing the rounds about the plane's fate.
Mar 21, 2014, 1:46 pm
#873
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This may sound obvious to many readers of this forum, but the article answers a lot of questions in a non-technial way.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-missing-plane
The Guardian spoke to a long-haul commercial pilot and a former Thomas Cook flight attendant – people who understand aeroplane emergency procedures and rules about access to the cockpit and communication systems – about key details in the competing theories doing the rounds about the plane's fate.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-missing-plane
The Guardian spoke to a long-haul commercial pilot and a former Thomas Cook flight attendant – people who understand aeroplane emergency procedures and rules about access to the cockpit and communication systems – about key details in the competing theories doing the rounds about the plane's fate.
That's what I've been trying to figure out this whole time. In an emergency where the plane ended up flying for what, 7 hours, why wasn't a 2 second call made?
Mar 21, 2014, 2:04 pm
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Mar 21, 2014, 2:17 pm
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Mar 21, 2014, 2:17 pm
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From that article: ... pilots can make a very quick mayday call at any time such as: "Mayday mayday mayday, MH370, smoke on board, stand by." It would only take two or three seconds to transmit. That's what I've been trying to figure out this whole time. In an emergency where the plane ended up flying for what, 7 hours, why wasn't a 2 second call made?
Aside from 10 cabin crews, there're at least 20+1 engineers, an IBM exec, one martial artist and others - surely, someone would've step forward even if it's an inflight medical emergency. Laughing gas released that took everyone out, I dare to wonder.
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Mar 21, 2014, 2:17 pm
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Mar 21, 2014, 2:26 pm
#879
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2. Enter the cockpit
3. The Guardian report says the crew has a communication with the cockpit every 20 min and if there is no response they have a procedure in place.
And I am thinking again.. minus two pilots we have there 10 people who are trained how to act in an emergency situation..
Mar 21, 2014, 2:30 pm
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Respectful question from a scientist, engineer and frequent flyer:
what is the time differential and footprint differential of making a 180 degree turn in a heavy-loaded 777 under:
the fastest turn possible vs a "normal" banking turn that wouldn't shake up pax
If the plane really was on primary radar it would seem that this would show up.
what is the time differential and footprint differential of making a 180 degree turn in a heavy-loaded 777 under:
the fastest turn possible vs a "normal" banking turn that wouldn't shake up pax
If the plane really was on primary radar it would seem that this would show up.
Mar 21, 2014, 3:10 pm
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Excuse me if this has been discussed. Has there been any consideration in using drones to search this area? They have the capability to loiter in areas for long periods of time and I assume could drop marker buoys/listening buoys.
Mar 21, 2014, 3:24 pm
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Respectful question from a scientist, engineer and frequent flyer:
what is the time differential and footprint differential of making a 180 degree turn in a heavy-loaded 777 under:
the fastest turn possible vs a "normal" banking turn that wouldn't shake up pax
If the plane really was on primary radar it would seem that this would show up.
what is the time differential and footprint differential of making a 180 degree turn in a heavy-loaded 777 under:
the fastest turn possible vs a "normal" banking turn that wouldn't shake up pax
If the plane really was on primary radar it would seem that this would show up.
Even if the plane just flipped around 180 rotating on its z axis, the change in direction of the movement of the blip on the primary radar would become evident.
There doesn't seem to be any evidence of any turn around to the South in anybody's radar (otherwise they wouldn't be searching the North arc).
Mar 21, 2014, 3:37 pm
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Boeing, like any company, will not make any public statements if their lawyers have any say until all facts are known and then only if there is no negative impact on future litigation or is necessary/advantageous for PR purposes. Nothing nefarious or suspicious about that. I am sure they are contributing to the investigation in any way they can. They have as much a vested interest in getting to the bottom of this as anybody given the litigation potential.
They are facing lawsuits even in the Asiana crash where the pilot error has been well documented. They are always one of the deep pockets in these cases to go after as a contributing factor however silly.
Mar 21, 2014, 3:45 pm
#884
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Trying to figure out if the turn was handflown or autopiloted. If I'm driving a heavily loaded truck, I can turn it 180 degrees in a few seconds and within a short radius, but I'd only do it in an emergency. If I need to turn but it's not urgent, I'll take more time and a wider radius.
The turn time/radius might signify urgency even if the comms were gone so that there was no transponder squawk or pan pan pan/mayday.
The turn time/radius might signify urgency even if the comms were gone so that there was no transponder squawk or pan pan pan/mayday.
Mar 21, 2014, 4:17 pm
#885
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The example Chinatrader posted about raises another issue for me. In his (?) example, the pilot invited a passenger into the cockpit, allowed alcohol into the cockpit, and played around with the rudders in a way that subsequent pilots said was dangerous. Fortunately nothing tragic happened. But say it had. Say the plane had gone down. We'd never in a million years reconstruct that scenario, would we? Even if the plane were found and the rudder damage investigated, no one would come up with an explanation of "The pilot had invited a passenger in and was showing off by hitting the rudders with his feet."
We have no evidence here that the pilot was unprofessional, although the co-pilot does seem to have indulged in some unprofessional cockpit behavior at one point in the past. But even so, that's only one of many, many possible scenarios in what went wrong here. But it makes you stop to think — odd and unpredictable decisions in the cockpit do happen sometimes, and no mechanical equipment will ever pick up on the reasons why.
We have no evidence here that the pilot was unprofessional, although the co-pilot does seem to have indulged in some unprofessional cockpit behavior at one point in the past. But even so, that's only one of many, many possible scenarios in what went wrong here. But it makes you stop to think — odd and unpredictable decisions in the cockpit do happen sometimes, and no mechanical equipment will ever pick up on the reasons why.