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Old Jul 2, 12, 4:40 am   #1
 
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Lufthansa W12 Operation Changes [merged]

According to http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/02/lh-w12update3/

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As per 02JUL12 GDS timetable and inventory display, latest changes to Lufthansa’s Winter 2012/13 long-haul operation as follows. Note in Jan/Feb 2013, Lufthansa will reduce long-haul operation on several routes. Certain routes has seen seasonal cuts in the past (in Jan/Feb), while some are seeing reductions for the first time in W12 during slow season.

Frankfurt – Abu Dhabi – Muscat 07JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Bangalore 09JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 6 weekly
Frankfurt – Boston 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Chennai 07JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly (Overall sees 3-class A340-300 operation with re-introduction of First Class service. W11 was A340-600, S12 2-class A340-300)
Frankfurt – Dallas 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Denver 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Doha – Bahrain 09JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 6 weekly
Frankfurt – Hong Kong 08JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5-6 weekly
Frankfurt – Johannesburg 08JAN13 – 30JAN13 Service reduces from daily to 6 weekly
Frankfurt – Khartoum – Addis Ababa Service operates 6 weekly instead of planned daily
Frankfurt – Lagos – Port Harcourt 16JAN13 – 06FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 6 weekly
Frankfurt – Nagoya 06JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly (Overall sees Airbus A340-600 operates daily, replacing 6 weekly A340-300 and 1 weekly -600)
Frankfurt – New York JFK 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 LH404/405 operates 5 weekly instead of daily (overall service operates 12 weekly. LH400/401 in W12 operates with 747-400 instead of A340-600 in W11; LH404/405 operates A340-600 instead of 747-400 in W11)
Frankfurt – Osaka 07JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Rio de Janeiro 07JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly (Overall service in Winter increases from 6 weekly to daily, excluding Jan/Feb 2013)
Frankfurt – Seattle 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Toronto 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Vancouver 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly

Previously reported changes:
Frankfurt – Bogota Service increasing from 5 weekly to 1 daily, A340-600 operating
Frankfurt – Houston A380 continues operation on/after 28OCT12 (A380 to be introduced from 01AUG12)
Frankfurt – Orlando Airbus A340-600 operates daily, replacing 747-400 in W11
Frankfurt – Philadelphia Service operates 5 times a week (Day x24), same as W11. A330-300 operates on Day 3 instead of A340-300
Frankfurt – Singapore Service is now displaying A380 operation, previously displayed as 747-400
Frankfurt – Tel Aviv 2 Daily flights operated by A330-300, replacing A330/340 mix
Munich – Beijing Planned service increase from 5 weekly to daily is shelved
Munich – Boston Airbus A330-300 replaces A340-300 on Day x237
Munich – Charlotte Service reduces from daily to
27DEC12 – 16JAN13 5 weekly
17JAN13 – 13FEB13 6 weekly

Munich – Chicago 15JAN13 – 26FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 6 weekly
Munich – Dubai Airbus A340-300 replaces -600 on following
28OCT12 – 31DEC12 Day x126 (Day x237 from DXB)
04JAN13 – 03MAR13 Day 57 (Day 16 from DXB)
04MAR13 – 29MAR13 Day x126 (Day x237 from DXB)

Munich – Hong Kong Service reduces from daily to
07JAN13 – 22JAN13 5 weekly
23JAN13 – 05FEB13 6 weekly

Munich – Los Angeles Service reduces from daily to
28OCT12 – 20JAN13 6 weekly
21JAN13 – 03MAR13 4 weekly
10MAR13 – 30MAR13 6 weekly

Munich – Mexico City Planned service on launch from 01FEB13 once again postponed until 31MAR13
Munich – Montreal Service reduces from daily to
28OCT12 – 13JAN13 5 weekly
14JAN13 – 24FEB13 4 weekly
25FEB13 – 29MAR13 5 weekly

Munich – New York JFK 09JAN13 – 12FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Munich – San Francisco 23JAN13 – 12FEB13 / 20FEB13 – 05MAR13 Service reduces from daily to 6 weekly
Munich – Seoul Incheon – Busan Planned service increase from 5 weekly to daily is shelved
Munich – Tel Aviv Airbus A321 replaces A330-300, 5 weekly
Munich – Tokyo Narita 03JAN13 – 05FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Munich – Washington Dulles Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly. Temporary suspension in effect from 23DEC12 to 28MAR13

Between 21DEC12 to 02JAN13, selected services will not be operating.
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Old Jul 2, 12, 8:43 am   #2
 
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Wow ....

This is quite a cut in service, one almost wonders if they have plans to take a chunk of their fleet out of service during Jan / Feb for servicing / refits / whatever ??
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Old Jul 2, 12, 10:43 am   #3
 
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My thoughts exactly! Must be retrofitting or heavy maintenance...
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Wow ....

This is quite a cut in service, one almost wonders if they have plans to take a chunk of their fleet out of service during Jan / Feb for servicing / refits / whatever ??
I'm sure they are planning to refit new C to the chunk of their fleet
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Old Jul 2, 12, 11:21 am   #5
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Hmmm, that is a seriously large number of reductions.
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Old Jul 2, 12, 12:37 pm   #7
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Hmmm, that is a seriously large number of reductions.
Effects of loss of market share addressed by attempting to cut cost- rarely successful and often detrimental.
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This seems to be a large cut in capacity, anyone care to comment if this is similar to previous winter schedules?
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Effects of loss of market share addressed by attempting to cut cost- rarely successful and often detrimental.
Another factor to talk about is LH crazy pricing these days for business class fares and zeroing of P and Z fare buckets to increase yields despite having low loads.
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Interesting to compare to this

Emirates New Routes & Changes 2012 (and prior)
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This seems to be a large cut in capacity, anyone care to comment if this is similar to previous winter schedules?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...e-changes.html (Winter 2011-12)

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Frankfurt – Beirut Service operates 9 weekly Airbus A319 in W11, instead of mix of A319/320 (Overall reduction from 12 weekly in W10)
Frankfurt – Cape Town Boeing 747-400 replace previously planned Airbus A340-600
Frankfurt – New York JFK All 2 Daily Service Airbus A340-600 replace Boeing 747-400 (which replaces A330-300 in W10)
Frankfurt – Newark LH402/403 Boeing 747-400 replace previously planned A340-600 (W10 was A340-300. Overall service remain 2 Daily)
Frankfurt – Orlando Boeing 747-400 operates in W11 on Daily basis, same as W10, 08FEB11 – 20FEB11 Reduce from Daily to 6 weekly (Day x2)

Previously mentioned changes:
Frankfurt – Abu Dhabi Service becomes terminator flight, no longer extends to Muscat. A330-300 operating
Frankfurt – Accra Increase from 5 weekly (Day x35) to Daily. However, service operates with PrivatAir Boeing 737-800 (C32Y60) instead of A330-300 (F8C48Y165). Duty-free service not available on 737 flight
Frankfurt – Atlanta Daily service, compared to 6 weekly in W10 (Day x4)
Frankfurt – Boston Boeing 747-400 replace Airbus A340-600 in Winter 2011, 08FEB12 – 21FEB12 Reduce from Daily to 6 weekly (Day x3)
Frankfurt – Caracas 01FEB12 – 13FEB12 Reduce from Daily to 6 weekly (Day x2). Service in W11 operates with A340-600 instead of -300 in NW10
Frankfurt – Chennai Daily A340-600 service (1 of 7 weekly operated with -300 in W10)
Frankfurt – Dallas Winter service operates 6 weekly (Day x7), compared to Daily in W10
Frankfurt – Dammam Service becomes terminator flight once again, no longer extends to Bahrain. However, service is to be operated by PrivatAir Boeing 737-800, 4 times a week
Frankfurt – Denver Boeing 747-400 replace Airbus A340-600 in Winter 2011
Frankfurt – Detroit Service operates Daily A330-300, same as W10
Frankfurt – Doha – Bahrain Service operates NONSTOP on FRA DOH, replace 1-stop via Riyadh. Frequency reduce from Daily to 6 weekly. For Bahrain service, flight now is operating via Doha, replace Dammam stop. Frequency increase to 6 weekly
Frankfurt – Hyderabad 3 weekly Airbus A340-300 CANCELLED
Frankfurt – Khartoum Nonstop PrivatAir Boeing 737-800 service replaced by 1-stop A340-300 via Jeddah, 4 weekly
Frankfurt – Kuwait Daily A340-300, replace A330-300 in W10
Frankfurt – Lagos 3 of 7 weekly (Day 257) Airbus A330-300 replace A340-300
Frankfurt – Miami Daily A380 service
Frankfurt – Nagoya Day 136 (NGO Day 247) A340-600 replace -300
Frankfurt – Nanjing Planned 4th weekly service in Winter 2011 has received Government Approval (currently in operation in S11)
Frankfurt – Osaka Kansai Boeing 747-400 replace Airbus A340-600 in Winter 2011
Frankfurt – Philadelphia Reduce from 6 weekly (Day x1) in W10 to 5 weekly in W11 (Day x24). Additional capacity reduction with A330-300 operating once a week instead of A340-300, but offers First Class service
Frankfurt – Rio de Janeiro Service resumption (See post on 17FEB11)
Frankfurt – Riyadh – Muscat Muscat service is now operating via Riyadh, replace Abu Dhabi. Riyadh – Doha sector no longer operating. A340-600 operates Daily
Frankfurt – San Francisco Daily 747-400 service
Frankfurt – Seoul Incheon Daily A340-600 operating, compared to 5 weekly in W10
Frankfurt – Singapore Airbus A380 replace Boeing 747-400. Singapore – Jakarta sector will shift to Munich departure/arrival
Frankfurt – Tehran Planned Boeing 747-400 service in Winter 2011, canceled. Service operates with A340-600

Munich – Cairo 3 weekly Airbus A321 replace 4 weekly PrivatAir Boeing 737-800 service (See post on 23MAY11)
Munich – Charlotte 30OCT11 – 23DEC11/01FEB12 – 24MAR12 Increase from 5 to 6 weekly. Mix of A330-300/A340-300 operation (W10 was 5 weekly A330-300)
Munich – Chicago A340-300 operating, replace -600 in W10 (Frequency variation from 01JAN12 to 19FEB12)
Munich – Delhi Day 7 from MUC, Day 1 from DEL sees A340-300 replace -600
Munich – Hong Kong Daily A340-600, increase from 5 weekly in W10
Munich – Los Angeles Service Remains 5 weekly, previously planned Daily (4 weekly from 04JAN12 to 19FEB12)
Munich – Montreal Service Remains 5 weekly, previously planned Daily (4 weekly from 26JAN12 to 19FEB12)
Munich – Mumbai Winter service operates Daily, an increase from 5 weekly in W10. A330-300 operates Day x67, A340-300 on Day 67 (BOM departs following day)
Munich – Newark A340-300 operates on selected dates between 27DEC11 and 25JAN12 (6 weekly from 08FEB12 to 22FEB12)
Munich – New York JFK A330-300 operating Daily, replace A340-600 in W10 (6 weekly from 08JAN12 to 14FEB12)
Munich – Riyadh service will extend to Jeddah, with A340-300 operating, replacing Boeing 737-800 by PrivatAir
Munich – San Francisco Reduce from Daily to 6 weekly from 01FEB12 to 21FEB12
Munich – Sao Paulo Daily Airbus A340-600, increase from 5 weekly A340-300 in W10
Munich – Seoul Incheon – Busan Service Remains 5 weekly, previously planned Daily
Munich – Singapore Daily, increase from 5 weekly in W10, service extends to Jakarta
Munich – Tashkent 3 weekly PrivatAir Boeing 737-800 service CANCELLED
Munich – Tel Aviv 2 weekly Airbus A340-300 and 3 weekly -600 service (5 weekly A340-300 in W10; previous plan was 4 -300 + 1 -600)
Munich – Tokyo Narita Day 134 from MUC, Day 245 from NRT operates with A340-300 instead of -600 (Service reduction to 5-6 weekly from 01JAN12 to 05FEB12)
Dusseldorf – Chicago Service operates 4 weekly, reduced from 5 in W10
Dusseldorf – Miami Service operates 5 weekly, reduced from 6 – 7 weekly in W10
Dusseldorf – Toronto Service converts to year-round, 3 weekly A330-300 service in W11

Additional changes:
Frankfurt – Dubai: A340-600 replace B747-400
Frankfurt – Riyadh – Muscat: A340-300 replace A340-600
Frankfurt – Tehran: B747-400 replace previously planned A340-600
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Old Jul 2, 12, 9:28 pm   #12
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Interesting to compare to this

Emirates New Routes & Changes 2012 (and prior)
Indeed, not just across the board in general, but EK is increasing seats right into the heart of LuftyLand too.

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Dubai – Frankfurt eff 01OCT12 EK043/044 Boeing 777-300ER with Suites replaces A330-200
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No cuts ex DUS apparently
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Old Jul 3, 12, 2:06 am   #14
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No cuts ex DUS apparently
Not many longhaul flights to cut in the first place?
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Old Jul 3, 12, 2:34 am   #15
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Another factor to talk about is LH crazy pricing these days for business class fares and zeroing of P and Z fare buckets to increase yields despite having low loads.
Yes. Really crazy. I have several examples where P/Z seem won't price for the return with the outbound. In the last three weeks I have seen this with PVG, HKG, DEN, GRU... crazy prices (more than double AF/KL/IB/BA and even AZ!) and even more than double with EK/QR (see the revenue management is losing the plot thread).
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