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Jul 19, 2012, 2:42 am

#76

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Originally Posted by Terbang

Dear Oliver,
The MUC flight to SIN (LH790) doesnot exist anymore after OCT 28.
So only the FRA-SIN A380 will be parked at SIN if LH terminates flighing to CGK.
However, I cannot understand that LH reject a market of 200 million people with growing wealth,
As I booked a flight via MUC to CGK on NOV 1, 2012 I am dammed curious what LH has in mind with the SIN-CGK leg connection.
Will they hand over their SIN-CGK business to their *A partner SIA??

Oh, missed the MUC-SIN rotation cancellation. Good for SQ, they will be able to capture the high yield MUC-SIN O&D. The low yield crowd is flying the EK, EY or QR flights out of MUC already.

With umpteen seats available on CGK-SIN, I'm sure they will easily rebook the cancelled flights pax easily. SQ already codeshares selected flights with NH and OZ, so surely LH will get a codeshare in the future:

Code:

TN05NOVCGKSIN/A*A                                                               
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** SIN SINGAPORE.SG                  05NOV12 12NOV12  
**  MU ORCHARD HOTEL SIN*AMAZING DEAL 25PCT DISC AND WIFI                       
**  HAMUSINOHS33DEC-1                                                           
 1   SQ 951  D    CGK 2 SIN    0550    0825   0 29OCT12 27OCT13 772  1:35       
 2   SQ 953  D    CGK 2 SIN    0825    1100   0 28OCT12 30MAR13 772  1:35       
 3   SQ 955  D    CGK 2 SIN    0920    1155   0 28OCT12 26OCT13 773  1:35       
 4   SQ 957  D    CGK 2 SIN    1130    1405   0 20JUL12 26OCT13 773  1:35       
 5   SQ 959  D    CGK 2 SIN    1415    1650   0 28OCT12 30MAR13 772  1:35       
 6   SQ 961  D    CGK 2 SIN    1700    1935   0 28OCT12 26OCT13 773  1:35       
 7SQ:OZ6795  D    CGK 2 SIN 2  1700    1935   0 30JUL12         773  1:35       
 8   SQ 963  D    CGK 2 SIN    1905    2140   0 28OCT12 26OCT13 772  1:35       
 9SQ:NH6273  D    CGK 2 SIN    1905    2140   0 28OCT12 26OCT13 772  1:35       
10   LH 791  X24  CGK 2 SIN 2  1950    2235   0 31OCT12 01DEC12 343  1:45       
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Jul 19, 2012, 5:00 am

#77

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Quote:

Originally Posted by milesfixed

I really hope so! The ZRH-SIN route is lacking in business class seats. The SQ 380 flight is always packed in C-class and it is often impossible to find a seat on short notice. Am sure Swiss would fill his business class cabin easily, given that they have lie-flat seats on the whole fleet now. I know many people (including me) who would switch from SQ to LX.

There are several issues on that route. One is that it's very C-Class heavy. SQ has a special high C config on that route and it still doesn't satisfy the demand - while there is sufficient supply in F and Y. The other is payload restrictions on 330/340. I'm not sure if LX has an ideal plane for these issues.

Jul 19, 2012, 6:03 am

#78

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as far as I understand is this cancellation due to needing to use the A/C & crew on the CPT route, that will be switched from FRA to MUC.

Jul 19, 2012, 6:09 am

#79

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Quote:

Originally Posted by treppenlaeufer

as far as I understand is this cancellation due to needing to use the A/C & crew on the CPT route, that will be switched from FRA to MUC.

Are you sure? Both can easily be switched from FRA to MUC as well...

Jul 19, 2012, 6:38 am

#80

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Quote:

Originally Posted by supermasterphil

Are you sure? Both can easily be switched from FRA to MUC as well...

As I was writing it, I thought the same, but that's what I've heard.

Jul 19, 2012, 6:41 am

#81

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This is a pity. Need to fly to CGK later this year and thought about taking this route...

Jul 19, 2012, 8:08 am

#82

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I am still booked on some flights which are now zeroed out in all classes.
Looks like they will rebook me onto SQ F for the short hops between CGK and SIN.
The fares ex-CGK are still available though.

Jul 19, 2012, 9:50 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fivesixseven

This is a pity. Need to fly to CGK later this year and thought about taking this route...

Unless you need the HON circle miles I would fly SQ.

Jul 19, 2012, 12:33 pm

#84

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rambuster

Note to self: book another ex-CGK A class ticket quickly...

Any good deals out there?

Jul 19, 2012, 2:03 pm

#85

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Lufthansa Cancels Munich – Singapore – Jakarta Service from late-Oct 2012

Seems like the B747 FRA-BKK is replaced with A340 a/c from this route?

Jul 19, 2012, 2:17 pm

#86

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jexelot

Seems like the B747 FRA-BKK is replaced with A340 a/c from this route?

A340-600 replaces 747 on FRA BKK SGN and FRA BKK KUL from 28OCT12

Jul 20, 2012, 4:33 am

#87

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More Lufthansa W12 Long-Haul Operation Changes

According to http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/19/lh-w12update4/

Quote:

2nd Update at 0505GMT 20JUL12

As per 19JUL12 GDS timetable and inventory display, latest changes to Lufthansa’s Winter 2012/13 long-haul operation as follows. Note in Jan/Feb 2013, Lufthansa will reduce long-haul operation on several routes. Certain routes has seen seasonal cuts in the past (in Jan/Feb), while some are seeing reductions for the first time in W12 during slow season.

Frankfurt – Bangkok – Ho Chi Minh Airbus A340-600 replaces Boeing 747-400, 3 weekly
Frankfurt – Bangkok – Kuala Lumpur Airbus A340-600 replaces Boeing 747-400, 4 weekly
Frankfurt – Delhi Boeing 747-8I continues operation on daily basis
Frankfurt – New York JFK
LH400/401 Airbus A330-300 replacing planned Boeing 747-400 (A340-600 in W11)
LH404/405 Airbus A340-600 replacing 747-400 in W11 (Unchanged)
08JAN13 – 13FEB13 LH404/405 operates 5 weekly instead of daily

Frankfurt – Orlando Boeing 747-400 in W11 replaced by
28OCT12 – 17DEC12 Airbus A340-600 (Unchanged)
18DEC12 – 30MAR13 Airbus A340-300 (New capacity reduction)

Frankfurt – Riyadh Airbus A330-300 replaces A340-600, daily operations
Frankfurt – San Francisco Airbus A380 operation extends to 06JAN13, replacing 747-400
Frankfurt – Tel Aviv 2 Daily service operates with Airbus A321, replacing previously planned A330-300 (Overall replacing Airbus A340-300/-600 mix in S12)
Frankfurt – Washington Dulles Boeing 747-8I continues operation, offering 5 weekly service
LH418 FRA1235 – 1525IAD 744 23
LH418 FRA1235 – 1525IAD 74H x23

LH419 IAD1740 – 0740+1FRA 744 23
LH419 IAD1740 – 0740+1FRA 74H x23

Munich – Washington Dulles Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly. Temporary suspension in effect from 23DEC12 to 28FEB13 (Previously planned till 28MAR13)

Jul 21, 2012, 7:32 am

#88

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Now FRA-HKG has been moved to the risky 10pm slot

http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/21/lh-frahkg-w12/

Jul 21, 2012, 7:42 am

#89

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Quote:

Originally Posted by oliver2002

Now FRA-HKG has been moved to the risky 10pm slot

http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/21/lh-frahkg-w12/

And has replaced a very good day flight with an overnight flight. Hmm and I just got CX gold for a year...

Jul 21, 2012, 12:09 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iainbhx

And has replaced a very good day flight with an overnight flight. Hmm and I just got CX gold for a year...

The bad news are that it is very close to the curefew, so likely will not go out a couple of nights of the year. Further, times are pretty similiar to the LX (ZRH) and LH (MUC) flight, so no real alternative.

The good news are that the old departure time from FRA in the late afternoon was tough since it is almost impossible to sleep. The return flight from HKG only suited those that got into HKG by train from mainland china same morning or had dinner arrangements the night before but other then that, it was a great waste of time...