Lufthansa W12 Operation Changes [merged]
Jul 13, 2012, 3:04 pm
#61
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If I am not mistaken Israel has aprox 200 HON's and I assume 2000+ SEN's; it's really considered a LH + LX premium market. At the time when LX downgraded their night flight to TLV for many years to short haul equipment they lost a lot of premium traffic of which probably some was feeded to LH.
Jul 13, 2012, 3:29 pm
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If i had to make an educated guess...i would guess that maybe LH is a "little low" on L/H a/c due to refitting of C and F this winter (i saw in another thread some planes are going to refitting)
so they needed to make some changes....and i guess TLV is probably the only (a guess...i could be wrong...) destination that has L/H a/c but also can be served by S/H...
so basically they can change the a/c at Germany - Israel routes to S/H and put the L/H a/c that used to be TLV on routes that HAVE to be serviced by L/H...so they can take out other L/H a/c to be refitted
so they needed to make some changes....and i guess TLV is probably the only (a guess...i could be wrong...) destination that has L/H a/c but also can be served by S/H...
so basically they can change the a/c at Germany - Israel routes to S/H and put the L/H a/c that used to be TLV on routes that HAVE to be serviced by L/H...so they can take out other L/H a/c to be refitted
Jul 18, 2012, 5:09 am
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Lufthansa Cancels Munich – Singapore – Jakarta Service from late-Oct 2012
According to http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/17/lh-sincgk-w12/
As per 17JUL12 GDS inventory display, Lufthansa from 28OCT12 is cancelling Munich – Singapore – Jakarta service. Reservation for the 5 weekly service is closed, and there are no words whether overall service to Jakarta will be kept.
Schedule:
LH790 MUC2130 – 1640+1SIN1750+1 – 1845+1CGK 343 x13
LH791 CGK1950 – 2235SIN2349 – 0555+1MUC 343 x24
Schedule:
LH790 MUC2130 – 1640+1SIN1750+1 – 1845+1CGK 343 x13
LH791 CGK1950 – 2235SIN2349 – 0555+1MUC 343 x24
Jul 18, 2012, 5:37 am
#65
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Why is Lufthansa so late with announcing what they really want to implement??
They must know by now what there intention is.
I have a flight with LH on november 1 to CGK.
On Airlinersnet I read this comment "There is talk in Jakarta that LH will delink KUL from BKK and start a nonstop FRA KUL service, which would then be extended to CGK. LH has been suffering the effects from EK/QR/EY as well as TK in CGK and it is losing out in KUL not only to the Middle Eastern carriers, but also to KL, which goes nonstop daily into KUL and will reinforce frequencies there to 10 weekly from the winter."
Currently they offer FRA-SIN-CGK with their A380 to SIN and SIA for SIN-CGK after Oct 28!
They must know by now what there intention is.
I have a flight with LH on november 1 to CGK.
On Airlinersnet I read this comment "There is talk in Jakarta that LH will delink KUL from BKK and start a nonstop FRA KUL service, which would then be extended to CGK. LH has been suffering the effects from EK/QR/EY as well as TK in CGK and it is losing out in KUL not only to the Middle Eastern carriers, but also to KL, which goes nonstop daily into KUL and will reinforce frequencies there to 10 weekly from the winter."
Currently they offer FRA-SIN-CGK with their A380 to SIN and SIA for SIN-CGK after Oct 28!
Last edited by Terbang; Jul 18, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Jul 18, 2012, 5:40 am
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Lufthansa Cancels Munich – Singapore – Jakarta Service from late-Oct 2012
Interesting. At the end of Sept I plan to fly to SIN on LH via either FRA or MUC. I've been monitoring the loads and while LH flies A380 from FRA and "only" an A330/340 from MUC, they've all nearly always been full. Thus I'd be surprised if this cut was due to lack of demand, unless they predict a large drop off come November.
Jul 18, 2012, 6:23 am
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Interesting. At the end of Sept I plan to fly to SIN on LH via either FRA or MUC. I've been monitoring the loads and while LH flies A380 from FRA and "only" an A330/340 from MUC, they've all nearly always been full. Thus I'd be surprised if this cut was due to lack of demand, unless they predict a large drop off come November.
Jul 18, 2012, 10:24 am
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According to http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/17/lh-sincgk-w12/
Jul 18, 2012, 1:27 pm
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CGK is usually the tag on they fly while the aircraft waits to do the evening return to Europe. That they will park both the A380 and a A340 in SIN for the entire day sounds very very strange...
Jul 18, 2012, 2:12 pm
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Dear Oliver,
The MUC flight to SIN (LH790) doesnot exist anymore after OCT 28.
So only the FRA-SIN A380 will be parked at SIN if LH terminates flighing to CGK.
However, I cannot understand that LH reject a market of 200 million people with growing wealth,
As I booked a flight via MUC to CGK on NOV 1, 2012 I am dammed curious what LH has in mind with the SIN-CGK leg connection.
Will they hand over their SIN-CGK business to their *A partner SIA??
The MUC flight to SIN (LH790) doesnot exist anymore after OCT 28.
So only the FRA-SIN A380 will be parked at SIN if LH terminates flighing to CGK.
However, I cannot understand that LH reject a market of 200 million people with growing wealth,
As I booked a flight via MUC to CGK on NOV 1, 2012 I am dammed curious what LH has in mind with the SIN-CGK leg connection.
Will they hand over their SIN-CGK business to their *A partner SIA??
Jul 18, 2012, 4:12 pm
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This does not surprise me much. I have taken this flight a few times and the loading was very light in business and coach.
SWISS has been rumoring to re-open SIN with a direct flight for some time now. Do you think it could be a sign ? Axing MUC-SIN to open ZRH-SIN (which would make a lot of sense IMO)
SWISS has been rumoring to re-open SIN with a direct flight for some time now. Do you think it could be a sign ? Axing MUC-SIN to open ZRH-SIN (which would make a lot of sense IMO)
Jul 18, 2012, 7:18 pm
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Jul 19, 2012, 2:30 am
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I really hope so! The ZRH-SIN route is lacking in business class seats. The SQ 380 flight is always packed in C-class and it is often impossible to find a seat on short notice. Am sure Swiss would fill his business class cabin easily, given that they have lie-flat seats on the whole fleet now. I know many people (including me) who would switch from SQ to LX.
Jul 19, 2012, 2:32 am
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