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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by Hartmann
See I sort of disagree. Chick-fil-a isn't saying all employees have to be straight or something, their charitable arm simply has terms applied to it. Chick-fil-a made the money and is spending it how they see fit. If people disagree with the cause or the terms, then don't eat there.

When you start telling individuals and companies for that matter, how to be charitable and what constitutes fair, then you've done nothing but substitute one person's freedom for another person's.
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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by Hartmann
I don't understand. You're deaf, which means when audible commands are given by the crew, you cannot hear them. Seems like a problem when people are trying to escape a flaming plane.
Seems like an normal question but no offense to those who are not in the know, I am a trained crew member who has worked in In-Flight Safety at a regional or two as well as Flight Safety that is well versed into the safety procedures and FAA regulations as well... If anything my friends and Miss USA18DCA would rather have me in the Exit Row with them versus some DYKWIA or Joe Schmo who thinks they know what they're doing however I am a trained professional who has been trained thoroughly on how to operate the execution of opening emergency exits and aircraft doors amidst other things Flight Safety Professionals must know.

Now of course it perplexes me that an horizontally challenged person or an octogenarian can sit in the exit row versus someone who is Deaf and of course...not each person has the same skill set as anyone so I understand the reasons that the FAA has set forth. I do hope that was not a PC or comment.

Now my Nazi comment...I guess my attempt at conveying humor failed big time so I apologize, like Jerry...no comment is meant to offend just to make people laugh I do try my best not to be an ignorant bigot, if you met me in person you'd know that unlike behind computer screens.

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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:04 am
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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by Hartmann
See I sort of disagree. Chick-fil-a isn't saying all employees have to be straight or something, their charitable arm simply has terms applied to it. Chick-fil-a made the money and is spending it how they see fit. If people disagree with the cause or the terms, then don't eat there.

When you start telling individuals and companies for that matter, how to be charitable and what constitutes fair, then you've done nothing but substitute one person's freedom for another person's.

And so end my time in OMNI/PR
Well said. ^
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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:06 am
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Originally Posted by ConciergeMike
The problem with what you espouse (and I agree with you, by the way) is that such a system requires faith in humanity at large. Don't know about you, but mine isn't returning anytime soon.
I have little faith in humanity too, which is why I added that everything should be consensual - and I suppose I should add, within the common standards of decency. There does need to be a limit.

But why anyone shouldn't have the same rights as anyone else simply because they aren't of the same religion, sexual orientation, or anything else boggles my mind. At the end of the day, we're all humans. I personally see no difference between not allowing two consensual adults to marry as not allowing women to vote or blacks to not live in a world free of segregation.

I know that's a controversial statement in many circles, and my goal isn't to turn this into Omni. If I don't reply it's because I feel we're on a slipperly slope and need to return to Poop.

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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by Hartmann
When you start telling individuals and companies for that matter, how to be charitable and what constitutes fair, then you've done nothing but substitute one person's freedom for another person's.
I'm certainly not advocating that Chick-Fil-A isn't free to do what they want with their money. Same with Domino's. Or anyone else.

I agree with you.
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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:09 am
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Originally Posted by belynch
...we're on a slipperly slope and need to return to Poop.
Ah, poop. The slipperiest slope of all.

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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by usa18dca
Seems like an normal question but no offense to those who are not in the know, I am a trained crew member who has worked in In-Flight Safety at a regional or two as well as Flight Safety that is well versed into the safety procedures and FAA regulations as well...
So then, you of all people shouldn't be offended if you're asked to not sit in an exit row seat.
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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:13 am
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Ah, poop. The slipperiest slope of all.

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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:13 am
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So then, you of all people shouldn't be offended if you're asked to not sit in an exit row seat.
Correct even though I think it's a stupid rule from my point of perspective because I am a trained safety professional, but from my POV I can most certainly understand why there's rules in place.

Note: Deaf or rather Hard of Hearing people are allowed to sit in the Exit Rows if we can audibly understand the Crew Member instructions and depending on the Crew I meet those requirements since I can audibly understand them.


Cannot sit in an exit row if you:
-Lack strength and/or dexterity in both arms, hands and legs.
-Less than 15 years of age
-Lack the ability to perform any above function without the assistance of an adult.
-Lack the ability to read and understand safety information.
-Lack the ability to hear and understand English flight attendant commands.
-Lack visual capacity to perform one or more function with a vision correction device, other than glasses and/or contacts.
-Lack ability to hear flight attendant commands with assistance of a device other than a hearing aid.
-Lack the ability to relay important information in English.
-Have responsibilities, such as caring for a small child, that might distract you.
-Have a condition that may cause you harm.
-Must be able to direct passengers to an exit and be able to open that exit.

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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:18 am
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Originally Posted by Mackieman
2PM is not coming fast enough.
I had no idea you were that regular.
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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:20 am
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Originally Posted by usa18dca
since I can audibly understand them.
Assuming the operating carrier has consistent rules and procedures, then there's no reason you shouldn't be allowed to sit in the seat you want.
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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:20 am
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Originally Posted by ConciergeMike
I had no idea you were that regular.
That is excellent. I was speaking of meeting Herr Lurker for BBQ but I'm inclined to go that way too.
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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by usa18dca
Correct even though I think it's a stupid rule from my point of perspective because I am a trained safety professional, but from my POV I can most certainly understand why there's rules in place.

Note: Deaf or rather Hard of Hearing people are allowed to sit in the Exit Rows if we can audibly understand the Crew Member instructions and depending on the Crew I meet those requirements since I can audibly understand them.


Cannot sit in an exit row if you:
-Lack strength and/or dexterity in both arms, hands and legs.
-Less than 15 years of age
-Lack the ability to perform any above function without the assistance of an adult.
-Lack the ability to read and understand safety information.
-Lack the ability to hear and understand English flight attendant commands.
-Lack visual capacity to perform one or more function with a vision correction device, other than glasses and/or contacts.
-Lack ability to hear flight attendant commands with assistance of a device other than a hearing aid.
-Lack the ability to relay important information in English.
-Have responsibilities, such as caring for a small child, that might distract you.
-Have a condition that may cause you harm.
-Must be able to direct passengers to an exit and be able to open that exit.
Emphasis mine.
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Old Jan 27, 2011, 11:23 am
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Originally Posted by belynch
Assuming the operating carrier has consistent rules and procedures, then there's no reason you shouldn't be allowed to sit in the seat you want.
Indeed, so who's the ignorant one...I have been approached by some rather rude people while in uniform in the exit-row as a courtesy I moved to another seat to alleviate the ... Then my colleagues apologized and said there's a bigot on every flight...

Anyways back to Teh Box History Channel today was the day that Apollo I had a fire that killed honorable astronauts Virgil I. ''Gus'' Grissom, Edward H. White and Roger B. Chaffee during a test launch in 1967 and ... Soviet troops liberated the Nazi concentration camps Auschwitz and Birkenau in Poland. ^

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