Aug 5, 2014, 12:17 pm
Last edit by: mia
Q. Can I transfer Thank You points to airline programs?
A. Yes, but only from a TYP account tied to one of the following premium (fee-based) Citi cards:
Exception: Citi Preferred or Rewards+ cardholders can transfer to JetBlue at a less favorable rate (1000:500). They cannot transfer to other airline or hotel programs except as explained in the next paragraph .
Points earned through other cards -- such as the Citi Preferred or Rewards+ -- are eligible for transfer to airline programs, provided you also hold one of the premium cards listed above.
ThankYou Points earned through banking and customer service adjustments are called Taxable Points. Citi reports them as taxable when they are redeemed, not when they are earned. Citi does not allow Taxable Points to be Shared or Transferred, because they cannot determine a monetary value for those redemptions. However, the IT implementation of this policy may be imperfect. In 2015 one member was able to Transfer points earned through banking shortly after combining two ThankYou Rewards accounts. See posts 207-210, but no one has replicated this success.
Q. Which airline programs can I transfer TYP into?
A. TYP may be transferred 1:1 to these airline programs:
OneWorld
SkyTeam
Star Alliance
Independent
and to these hotel programs:
and to this retail program:
Q: After I transfer, when will my miles expire at that airline/hotel program? Is there anything I can do to avoid expiration there?
The Miles/Points that Do and Don't Expire wiki now lists all of the above Citi TYP airline/hotel transfer partners and their respective expiration policies.
Q. Are transfers instant?
A. Not necessarily. Although Citi's FAQ states that it may take up to fourteen days for the ThankYou Points to post to your participating travel loyalty program member account, anecdotal evidence suggests that many transfer times will be much shorter. A summary:
Q. Can I transfer to another person's airline or hotel program account?
A. Per the Citi FAQ,
We do not have many reports describing how strictly this rule is applied/enforced, nor any reports on workarounds. One FTer, in his first post ever, claimed success in transfering TYP to another person's Etihad (EY) account.
Keep in mind that TYP may be freely Shared with another TYP member's account (with the points expiring 90 days after transfer). If the recipient member has a transfer-eligible card (as described above), s/he can Transfer points to airline or hotel partners.
A. Yes, but only from a TYP account tied to one of the following premium (fee-based) Citi cards:
- Premier
- Prestige
- Chairman
Exception: Citi Preferred or Rewards+ cardholders can transfer to JetBlue at a less favorable rate (1000:500). They cannot transfer to other airline or hotel programs except as explained in the next paragraph .
Points earned through other cards -- such as the Citi Preferred or Rewards+ -- are eligible for transfer to airline programs, provided you also hold one of the premium cards listed above.
ThankYou Points earned through banking and customer service adjustments are called Taxable Points. Citi reports them as taxable when they are redeemed, not when they are earned. Citi does not allow Taxable Points to be Shared or Transferred, because they cannot determine a monetary value for those redemptions. However, the IT implementation of this policy may be imperfect. In 2015 one member was able to Transfer points earned through banking shortly after combining two ThankYou Rewards accounts. See posts 207-210, but no one has replicated this success.
Q. Which airline programs can I transfer TYP into?
A. TYP may be transferred 1:1 to these airline programs:
OneWorld
- Cathay Pacific Asia Miles (CX)
- Malaysia Airlines Enrich (MH)
- Qantas Frequent Flyer (QF)
- Qatar Airways Privilege Club (QR)
SkyTeam
- Aeromexico Club Premier
- Flying Blue: Air France (AF), KLM (KL) and others
- Garuda Indonesia GarudaMiles (GA)
- Virgin Atlantic (VS)
Star Alliance
- Avianca LifeMiles (AV)
- EVA Air Infinity MileageLands (BR)
- Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer (SQ)
- Thai Airways Royal Orchid Plus (TG)
- Turkish Airlines (TK)
Independent
- Etihad Guest (EY)
- Emirates Skywards (EK)
- Jet Airways (9W)
- jetBlue (B6) (TYP 1000 = 800 B6)
and to these hotel programs:
- ALL - Accor Live Limitless ( TYP 1000 = 500 ALL)
- Choice Privileges (TYP 1000 = 2000 Choice)
- Leading Hotels of the World Leaders Club (TYP 1000 = 200 LC)
- Wyndham Rewards
and to this retail program:
- Shop Your Way (Sears) (at ratio 1 TYP: 12 SYW)
Q: After I transfer, when will my miles expire at that airline/hotel program? Is there anything I can do to avoid expiration there?
The Miles/Points that Do and Don't Expire wiki now lists all of the above Citi TYP airline/hotel transfer partners and their respective expiration policies.
Q. Are transfers instant?
A. Not necessarily. Although Citi's FAQ states that it may take up to fourteen days for the ThankYou Points to post to your participating travel loyalty program member account, anecdotal evidence suggests that many transfer times will be much shorter. A summary:
- AF/KL: As of March 2016, instant. (Was previously 1-5 days.)
- AM:
- AV: Instant to ~5 days - mixed reports: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/citi...r-partner.html
- B6: Instant
- BR: One business day in theory, but see post 417
- CX: One business day
- EY: Reports and discussion HERE.
- FB: less than 4 hours (11/16/17 after I added 00 to the front of my FB number) Make sure you have a 12 digit number or transfer will die.
- GA:
- MH: Two days
- QF: Two days (per post 273). Eight per post 368. 36 hours per post 440. 23 hours per post 512. Less than 24 hrs per post 547.
- QR: 2 days per post 418
- SQ: Variable--anywhere from two business days (per post #120) to 2.5-3 calendar days (per post 382) to next day per post 287
- TG:
- TK: Took 16-24 hours to transfer (12/28/17). No fees.
- VS: As of March 2016, instant. (Was previously done overnight: report 1; report 2).
Q. Can I transfer to another person's airline or hotel program account?
A. Per the Citi FAQ,
No. The first and last names on both the ThankYou Member Account and the participating travel loyalty program member's account must match in order to transfer points using the Points Transfer feature.
Keep in mind that TYP may be freely Shared with another TYP member's account (with the points expiring 90 days after transfer). If the recipient member has a transfer-eligible card (as described above), s/he can Transfer points to airline or hotel partners.
Citi ThankYou Points (TYPs): airline and hotel transfer partners
Jul 21, 2014, 4:32 am
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Citi ThankYou Points (TYPs): airline and hotel transfer partners
Log in to thankyou.com. Under Shop->Travel->Points Transfer you will see the option to transfer miles.
Currently 1:1 transfers to the following mileage programs:
1. Asia Miles
2. Etihad Guest
3. EVA Air Infinity MileageLands
4. Garuda Indonesia Frequent Flyer
5. Hilton HHonors™
6. Malaysia Airlines Enrich
7. Qatar Airways Privilege Club
8. Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
9. Thai Airways Royal Orchid Plus
Bit of an odd mix, but it is a start...
Full FAQ below.
1. What is Points Transfer?
Points Transfer is a feature of ThankYou® Rewards that allows certain eligible ThankYou® members to easily transfer their ThankYou Points to a variety of international travel loyalty programs. From airlines to hotels, Points Transfer brings a new dimension of value and flexibility to your ThankYou Points.
2. Who is eligible to use Points Transfer?
Only Citi ThankYou® Premier, Citi Prestige® and Citi Chairman® cardmembers are eligible to transfer available and qualifying points to participating travel loyalty programs membership accounts.
3. How can I transfer ThankYou® Points?
Transfer your ThankYou Points through www.thankyou.com com or by calling the ThankYou Customer Service. Here's how:
1. 1. Select the participating travel loyalty program you want to transfer your available and qualifying ThankYou Points to.
2. 2. Select number of ThankYou Points to transfer
3. 3. Confirm Points Transfer and accept terms and conditions
4. Can I cancel my Points Transfer request after it's submitted to the participating travel loyalty program?
No. Points Transfer requests cannot be cancelled or reversed. Once your ThankYou Points are transferred, the resulting rewards currency of the participating travel loyalty program cannot be converted or transferred back to ThankYou Points
5. Do the ThankYou® Points that I transfer expire, have blackout dates, or any other restrictions?
Once transferred, the ThankYou Points become the reward currency of the participating travel loyalty program and are subject to the terms and conditions of that participating travel loyalty program. Please check the terms and conditions of the participating travel loyalty program involved in your transfer for details regarding restrictions and other terms.
6. Can all ThankYou® Points be transferred?
No, taxable points and points that are made unavailable for redemption due to signs of fraud, abuse or suspicious activity in your ThankYou Member Account or due to your failure to make the required minimum payment due on your participating Citi® credit card account by the payment due date are not eligible for Points Transfer. Taxable points are points received for a Citibank checking relationship, points obtained through activity unrelated to purchases made with your eligible Citi credit card, as well as bonus points that may be awarded with no spend requirements such as opening new Citi accounts or for signing up for new credit card account services.
7. What travel loyalty programs currently participate in Points Transfer?
The participating travel loyalty programs are:
1. Asia Miles
2. Etihad Guest
3. EVA Air Infinity MileageLands
4. Garuda Indonesia Frequent Flyer
5. Hilton HHonors™
6. Malaysia Airlines Enrich
7. Qatar Airways Privilege Club
8. Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
9. Thai Airways Royal Orchid Plus
8. Is there a minimum number of ThankYou® Points required in order to transfer points into participating travel loyalty programs?
The minimum number of ThankYou Points that you can transfer is 1,000. Transfers must be made in 1,000 ThankYou Point increments.
9. Is there a maximum limit to the number of ThankYou® Points that may be transferred?
There is no maximum limit to the number of available qualifying ThankYou Points that you can transfer.
10. Is there a limit to the number of times I can transfer ThankYou® Points into participating travel loyalty programs?
There is no limit to the number of times you can transfer ThankYou Citi Rewards Points.
11. Is there a fee to use Points Transfer?
No, currently there is no fee to transfer ThankYou Points when using Points Transfer.
12. How long will it take for my ThankYou® Points to post to my participating travel loyalty program member account after I request a transfer?
It may take up to fourteen days for the ThankYou Points to post to your participating travel loyalty program member account.
13. How long will it take for my ThankYou Points to be deducted from my ThankYou Member Account after I request a transfer?
ThankYou Points will be deducted immediately from your ThankYou Member Account.
14. Can ThankYou Points be transferred to a participating travel loyalty program member account that is not in my name?
No. The first and last names on both the ThankYou Member Account and the participating travel loyalty program member's account must match in order to transfer points using the Points Transfer feature.
15. Where can I read the full terms and conditions of Points Transfer?
See Terms & Conditions
Currently 1:1 transfers to the following mileage programs:
1. Asia Miles
2. Etihad Guest
3. EVA Air Infinity MileageLands
4. Garuda Indonesia Frequent Flyer
5. Hilton HHonors™
6. Malaysia Airlines Enrich
7. Qatar Airways Privilege Club
8. Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
9. Thai Airways Royal Orchid Plus
Bit of an odd mix, but it is a start...
Full FAQ below.
1. What is Points Transfer?
Points Transfer is a feature of ThankYou® Rewards that allows certain eligible ThankYou® members to easily transfer their ThankYou Points to a variety of international travel loyalty programs. From airlines to hotels, Points Transfer brings a new dimension of value and flexibility to your ThankYou Points.
2. Who is eligible to use Points Transfer?
Only Citi ThankYou® Premier, Citi Prestige® and Citi Chairman® cardmembers are eligible to transfer available and qualifying points to participating travel loyalty programs membership accounts.
3. How can I transfer ThankYou® Points?
Transfer your ThankYou Points through www.thankyou.com com or by calling the ThankYou Customer Service. Here's how:
1. 1. Select the participating travel loyalty program you want to transfer your available and qualifying ThankYou Points to.
2. 2. Select number of ThankYou Points to transfer
3. 3. Confirm Points Transfer and accept terms and conditions
4. Can I cancel my Points Transfer request after it's submitted to the participating travel loyalty program?
No. Points Transfer requests cannot be cancelled or reversed. Once your ThankYou Points are transferred, the resulting rewards currency of the participating travel loyalty program cannot be converted or transferred back to ThankYou Points
5. Do the ThankYou® Points that I transfer expire, have blackout dates, or any other restrictions?
Once transferred, the ThankYou Points become the reward currency of the participating travel loyalty program and are subject to the terms and conditions of that participating travel loyalty program. Please check the terms and conditions of the participating travel loyalty program involved in your transfer for details regarding restrictions and other terms.
6. Can all ThankYou® Points be transferred?
No, taxable points and points that are made unavailable for redemption due to signs of fraud, abuse or suspicious activity in your ThankYou Member Account or due to your failure to make the required minimum payment due on your participating Citi® credit card account by the payment due date are not eligible for Points Transfer. Taxable points are points received for a Citibank checking relationship, points obtained through activity unrelated to purchases made with your eligible Citi credit card, as well as bonus points that may be awarded with no spend requirements such as opening new Citi accounts or for signing up for new credit card account services.
7. What travel loyalty programs currently participate in Points Transfer?
The participating travel loyalty programs are:
1. Asia Miles
2. Etihad Guest
3. EVA Air Infinity MileageLands
4. Garuda Indonesia Frequent Flyer
5. Hilton HHonors™
6. Malaysia Airlines Enrich
7. Qatar Airways Privilege Club
8. Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
9. Thai Airways Royal Orchid Plus
8. Is there a minimum number of ThankYou® Points required in order to transfer points into participating travel loyalty programs?
The minimum number of ThankYou Points that you can transfer is 1,000. Transfers must be made in 1,000 ThankYou Point increments.
9. Is there a maximum limit to the number of ThankYou® Points that may be transferred?
There is no maximum limit to the number of available qualifying ThankYou Points that you can transfer.
10. Is there a limit to the number of times I can transfer ThankYou® Points into participating travel loyalty programs?
There is no limit to the number of times you can transfer ThankYou Citi Rewards Points.
11. Is there a fee to use Points Transfer?
No, currently there is no fee to transfer ThankYou Points when using Points Transfer.
12. How long will it take for my ThankYou® Points to post to my participating travel loyalty program member account after I request a transfer?
It may take up to fourteen days for the ThankYou Points to post to your participating travel loyalty program member account.
13. How long will it take for my ThankYou Points to be deducted from my ThankYou Member Account after I request a transfer?
ThankYou Points will be deducted immediately from your ThankYou Member Account.
14. Can ThankYou Points be transferred to a participating travel loyalty program member account that is not in my name?
No. The first and last names on both the ThankYou Member Account and the participating travel loyalty program member's account must match in order to transfer points using the Points Transfer feature.
15. Where can I read the full terms and conditions of Points Transfer?
See Terms & Conditions
Jul 21, 2014, 8:22 am
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Citi ThankYou Points (TYPs) can now be transferred to some airlines 1:1
Just saw this today while browsing ThankYou.com but couldn't find a post on FT about it.
https://www.thankyou.com/partnerProgramsListing.jspx
You can now transfer to the following airlines at 1:1 in 1,000 miles increments
Cathay Asia Miles
Eva Air Infinity MileageLands
Etihad Guest
Garuda Indonesia Frequent Flyer
Qatar Airways Privilege Club
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
Thai Airways Royal Orchid Plus
No AA/US unfortunately
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https://www.thankyou.com/partnerProgramsListing.jspx
You can now transfer to the following airlines at 1:1 in 1,000 miles increments
Cathay Asia Miles
Eva Air Infinity MileageLands
Etihad Guest
Garuda Indonesia Frequent Flyer
Qatar Airways Privilege Club
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
Thai Airways Royal Orchid Plus
No AA/US unfortunately
.
Jul 21, 2014, 8:54 am
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Programs: AA HH Gold SPG Gold BA
Posts: 1,823
Just saw this today while browsing ThankYou.com but couldn't find a post on FT about it.
https://www.thankyou.com/partnerProgramsListing.jspx
You can now transfer to the following airlines at 1:1 in 1,000 miles increments
Cathay Asia Miles
Eva Air Infinity MileageLands
Etihad Guest
Garuda Indonesia Frequent Flyer
Qatar Airways Privilege Club
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
Thai Airways Royal Orchid Plus
No AA/US unfortunately.
https://www.thankyou.com/partnerProgramsListing.jspx
You can now transfer to the following airlines at 1:1 in 1,000 miles increments
Cathay Asia Miles
Eva Air Infinity MileageLands
Etihad Guest
Garuda Indonesia Frequent Flyer
Qatar Airways Privilege Club
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
Thai Airways Royal Orchid Plus
No AA/US unfortunately
.
Jul 21, 2014, 9:00 am
#4
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I reckon SQ is the only worthwhile transfer partner (moreso after recent TG deval)... but even then not ideal. not sure how CX redemption rates are and most of the other ones that you'd wanna fly (like EY, QR) have ridiculous redemption rates for their own FFPs and it'd be a waste to transfer to em -- unless you just had a few millie thankyou points laying around, collecting dust.
Jul 21, 2014, 9:13 am
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Not surprising. Citi does not want Premier or Prestige to cannibalize their AAdvantage cards. Prestige cardholders are compensated by the $0.016/point preferential rate when redeeming TYP for AA/US flights, but I don't see this as a good tradeoff for losing the ability to earn two points per dollar on general spending through the Flight Points mechanism.
It is surprising that there is not even one USA or European-based carrier, but they do have all three alliances covered. I doubt there will be any additions to the list this year, unless something appears in the next few days due to a site editing error. Citi has been working on this for a few years. I think we have to take this at face value.
It is surprising that there is not even one USA or European-based carrier, but they do have all three alliances covered. I doubt there will be any additions to the list this year, unless something appears in the next few days due to a site editing error. Citi has been working on this for a few years. I think we have to take this at face value.
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Jul 21, 2014, 10:40 am
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Interesting that it shows I can transfer 54K of my 69K current TY points. It's impossible (afaik) to tell which current points in my account came from where, but in the last 12 months, I've earned 36K points from banking, 46K points from CCs, and redeemed 32K points for travel.
It seems like at least SOME of my points available for transfer must be from banking. If so, that could be huge.
What can I do with 50K miles in any of these programs? I haven't heard of most of them. Seems a shame there are no US/EU carriers.
It seems like at least SOME of my points available for transfer must be from banking. If so, that could be huge.
What can I do with 50K miles in any of these programs? I haven't heard of most of them. Seems a shame there are no US/EU carriers.
Jul 21, 2014, 10:54 am
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Signapore Airlines was recently added as a Chase Ultimate Rewards transfer partner. Some relevant discussion here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase...r-partner.html
Continuing here at post 108:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/22908206-post108.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase...r-partner.html
Continuing here at post 108:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/22908206-post108.html
Jul 21, 2014, 11:02 am
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Interesting that it shows I can transfer 54K of my 69K current TY points. It's impossible (afaik) to tell which current points in my account came from where, but in the last 12 months, I've earned 36K points from banking, 46K points from CCs, and redeemed 32K points for travel.
It seems like at least SOME of my points available for transfer must be from banking. If so, that could be huge.
What can I do with 50K miles in any of these programs? I haven't heard of most of them. Seems a shame there are no US/EU carriers.
It seems like at least SOME of my points available for transfer must be from banking. If so, that could be huge.
What can I do with 50K miles in any of these programs? I haven't heard of most of them. Seems a shame there are no US/EU carriers.
I talked to a citi CSR about this today, she didn't know much and transferred me to a "redneck," thank you travel representative who knew even less besides what we already know. Why do they hire such people for their "travel" department? I don't mean to be rude but I doubt the guy knew much more able travel then going to the local lake outside Nashville or wherever he's from (not to mention the mainly middle eastern airlines that ended up being citi's transfer partners
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Jul 21, 2014, 11:14 am
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<---Former Citi employee for 4 years
I looked at SQ, but it doesn't seem like a good value for me, at least in the near future. Guess I'll keep on earning for now and see what happens.
One benefit that might be overlooked is the ability to cash out huge amounts of thankyou points without getting Citi's absurd 1099.
Jul 21, 2014, 11:15 am
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Jul 21, 2014, 11:29 am
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This is even more disappointing than the time when Chase kept stalling with putting an EMV chip into CSP (for no real reason as it turns out) and it doesn't even have real pin capability
Jul 21, 2014, 11:44 am
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Considering the largest single investor in Citi is from the UAE (I believe), I'm not surprised. The transfer partners are, near as I can tell, catered strongly to Citigroup's client demographic (Asian, Middle Eastern, Indian).
<---Former Citi employee for 4 years
I looked at SQ, but it doesn't seem like a good value for me, at least in the near future. Guess I'll keep on earning for now and see what happens.
One benefit that might be overlooked is the ability to cash out huge amounts of thankyou points without getting Citi's absurd 1099.
<---Former Citi employee for 4 years
I looked at SQ, but it doesn't seem like a good value for me, at least in the near future. Guess I'll keep on earning for now and see what happens.
One benefit that might be overlooked is the ability to cash out huge amounts of thankyou points without getting Citi's absurd 1099.
That would be good but unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) I don't collect thank you points, instead choosing to invest my effort in AAdvantage
Jul 21, 2014, 11:56 am
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All that to say, every "investor" is different, but I'd be wary of putting all my eggs in one loyalty program basket.
Jul 21, 2014, 12:20 pm
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Only if they permit taxable points to be transferred, and they do not. There is no 1099 issue for points earned with credit cards. (I did read your earlier post, but I am inclined to think it is a bookkeeping error, not a policy change.)
Jul 21, 2014, 12:26 pm
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If my Earning + Redemption + Transferable balance isn't an error, it looks like they definitely use points earned with Banking/Taxable points first, which I guess makes sense. In a way that's nice, because you can burn through the banking points without decreasing the number you're able to transfer.