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Spiff Oct 30, 2009 10:31 am


Originally Posted by tsastor (Post 12737468)
Next time:
- will use airport shuttle / public transportation

Fine, but if the shuttle driver assists you with luggage and/or drops you off at a non-customary location as a favor, a tip is appropriate.


Originally Posted by tsastor (Post 12737468)
- stay at HI Express, do I have to tip at breakfast?

Not necessary.


Originally Posted by tsastor (Post 12737468)
- no need to tip housekeeping?

It's optional. Some do, some don't.


Originally Posted by tsastor (Post 12737468)
- eat only at fast food places (no table service) - no tip
- use minibar to take drinks down to the lounge - no tips
- fly an European airline, no need to tip for drinks in the lounge

How about that strategy :D ;) ?

All sounds good, other than what has already been said about minibar costing more than lounge drink + tip. At lounges where drinks are sold, BYOB may be frowned upon.

dreamwks Oct 30, 2009 10:53 am


Originally Posted by Kettering Northants QC (Post 12737788)
PLEASE ... When in Rome.... et cetera et cetera et cetera

When I visit your country I respect your customs and I tip what is IMO excessively for what I get in return. When you visit my country please respect our customs and don't tip where it isn't the norm ... the last thing I and probably many others want in the UK is a tipping culture to develop.

It's October 31st and gone is our tradition of Haloween now we have commercial Trick or Treat.... more flippin Tippin!:mad:

Who said anything about starting a culture revolution...I love to show appreciation for good service, and tipping is one way, I certainly don't tip bad service. Maybe if more people tipped in the UK, the customer service would improve!

dheese Oct 30, 2009 10:58 am

What if I just started walking around in a park in Germany and decided to pick up all the litter I saw and throw it in the proper place? Would that be disrespectful of local tradition? It wouldnt hurt anyone, but by your logic it could be bad because then others may have to do it too or possibly face looking bad.

Its not disrespectful to tip, its just not done by Europeans, thats all.

For me to tip in EU hurts no one, gets me better services, and upholds out gernerous American nature. ;)

DMH

dreamwks Oct 30, 2009 10:58 am


Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach (Post 12737814)
On this point, I believe the IRS taxes waitstaff on the amount the IRS deems they have received at a minimum, not what they actually received (if lower than the deemed amount). The tip slave has to prove that they did not receive the deemed amount.

Correct, well I didn't want to get into the specifics, but yes, generally services like barbers, waiters, bar tenders etc are taxed based on minimum. ^

stut Oct 30, 2009 11:10 am


Originally Posted by dheese (Post 12737994)
Would that be disrespectful of local tradition?

Yes, of course, throwing litter on the ground is local tradition :rolleyes:


Its not disrespectful to tip, its just not done by Europeans, thats all.
In many places, it is (and 'Europe' certainly doesn't have a single culture). You are paid to do your job, and to do it well, taking pride in the fact that you do. Not everybody is motivated by extra money. I've had more than one public-facing job where accepting a tip will get you fired.


For me to tip in EU hurts no one, gets me better services, and upholds out gernerous American nature. ;)
It gets you better service at the expense of those locals who, if it's commonplace enough in areas with a strong tourist industry, find they now have to tip, on top of higher basic charges (that already include a living wage) to get decent service.

It smacks of arrogance, and little else.

dreamwks Oct 30, 2009 11:14 am

One last thing
 
If you don't enjoy tipping, consider this....Tipping is never about the receiver, it's about the giver! Over the years, I've been fortunate to give good tips and have developed this habit, and I've sometimes walked into a bar that I haven't been in ages, and the some bar tender that I barely remember puts my favorite larger on the table without even asking, and say's this is on the house or go to a night club, and you're ushered in through areas reserved for VIP's, while over 20 people are lined up waiting to get in. No one likes cheapskates, everyone loves a cheerful giver :)

Oxb Oct 30, 2009 11:17 am


Originally Posted by tsastor (Post 12737504)
I don't like tipping, it feels bad to pay for service I should receive anyway.

In most "non-tipping" countries the price of the service is included in the price of the item. Generally, in the US at establishments where tipping is common, that cost is not included in the price and you pay the server separately. The server is being paid a sub minimum wage and is expected to make up the rest of there income from tips. Tipping is not really paying extra.

djk7 Oct 30, 2009 11:22 am


Originally Posted by tsastor (Post 12737468)
planning another trip to the U.S. (California) and this time I would like to try not having to tip anyone during the entire trip.

Next time:
- will use airport shuttle / public transportation
- stay at HI Express, do I have to tip at breakfast?
- no need to tip housekeeping?
- eat only at fast food places (no table service) - no tip
- use minibar to take drinks down to the lounge - no tips
- fly an European airline, no need to tip for drinks in the lounge

How about that strategy :D ;) ?

To start with, ignore the bashing that some posters seem to think is needed here, it doesn't appear that you are trying to stiff anyone who would normally expect a tip, but are looking for strategies to avoid situations where tipping would be expected. I use many of these myself to save money. One note, as previously mentioned, airport shuttle drivers are typically tipped if they help with luggage, otherwise there is nothing on your "next" list that would require tipping.

A couple of other comments:
1) For non table service, you are not limited to McDonalds and KFC level of fast food. Panera, Chipotle, Panda Express, Crispers, Baja Express, Atlanta Bread Company, Qdoba, and lots of other places provide tasty food at reasonable prices and don't require tipping. Take out pizza is another option.

2) I avoid the mini bar since prices are high and the selection is low. I typically find a local liquor store where I can get some good microbrews or a small bottle of whatever. I usually either drink in the room or by the pool, taking your own to the lounge could be against the rules, or at least considered tacky.

Analise Oct 30, 2009 11:31 am


Originally Posted by tsastor (Post 12737504)
I don't like tipping, it feels bad to pay for service I should receive anyway.

So when you travel, do you always purposely not adapt to the customs of service and treatment? And some say only Americans do that....imagine that! ;)

Davidwnc Oct 30, 2009 11:43 am


Originally Posted by tsastor (Post 12737604)
I already live in Europe and don't have to tip.

Hmmm....I live in Europe too, and there are situations on this continent where I have found tips to be the norm, while there are fewer of them than in the US, they do exist here. Or do you go out of your way to avoid these situations in Europe as well?

Unless by saying you don't 'have to tip' you mean you are not absolutely required to tip, then yes that is true....but that is true in the US as well. You are not absolutely required to tip there either....it's just the cultural norm in some situations.

etch5895 Oct 30, 2009 11:48 am

As an American living in Europe, I generally round up to the nearest euro, and usually add a euro if the bill is more than ten euro. This is not over the top, and most Germans do this as well.

It is important to note and beware, some airport restaurants and bars in the USA (the int'l terminal in Atlanta, for one) will automatically add a gratuity to the bill since they are used to dealing with Europeans who may not follow American tipping norms. Do NOT feel compelled to tip in the USA if a gratuity has already been added to your bill, unless you really believe that the server has done something to earn something above and beyond the tip their workplace has already added to your bill. Look closely at your bill. @:-)

ladytraveler Oct 30, 2009 11:52 am

Hello, all -- I've been reading these boards for several months and have gotten great information from it - Thanks! However, I just had to ask this question:

Why would you be more inclined to tip someone who brings you a drink and yet not tip the person who cleans your bathroom and changes your sheets? Is it because you see the one as s/he does the service, but you don't see the other? It's a puzzle to me.

Davidwnc Oct 30, 2009 11:59 am


Originally Posted by dheese (Post 12737690)
While staying at the Hiedelburg Marriott a coupel summers ago I threw the lounge girl, who was a real doll, a 5 euro tip after a bunch of us were in there drinking free beer for a couple hours. You'd think I just gave her a car she was so happy.

Of course she was happy – she was giving you something that cost HER nothing and you were giving her money for it. From your point of view it was ok for her to give away free beer because she got a tip. Would you have been quite as thrilled if you had been the owner, and it your beer she was giving to a ‘bunch’ of people for a ‘couple of hours’?


Originally Posted by dreamwks (Post 12738091)
If you don't enjoy tipping, consider this....Tipping is never about the receiver, it's about the giver! Over the years, I've been fortunate to give good tips and have developed this habit, and I've sometimes walked into a bar that I haven't been in ages, and the some bar tender that I barely remember puts my favorite larger on the table without even asking, and say's this is on the house

As you say tipping is ‘about the giver’ – in this case it’s the owner of the establishment who is the ‘giver’ – whilst you and the bartender are the receivers (he of your tip and you of the ‘free’ lager.)

dreamwks Oct 30, 2009 12:04 pm


Originally Posted by djk7 (Post 12738141)
To start with, ignore the bashing that some posters seem to think is needed here

I don't think anyone is bashing, just pointing out that what not paying a tip means in the US and that the op understands that people generally feel, at least in the US, skipping a tip is almost the same thing as skipping the bill for reasons already pointed out by others.

Ichinensei Oct 30, 2009 12:06 pm


Originally Posted by tsastor (Post 12737468)
Hi,

planning another trip to the U.S. (California) and this time I would like to try not having to tip anyone during the entire trip.

Last time:
- used cab - had to tip
- stayed at Hiltons on breakfast inclusive rate, got coupons for breakfast, still had to tip
- tipped housekeeping
- stayed at Embassy Suites, tipped bartender during happy hour
- ate at restaurants, tipped waiter

Next time:
- will use airport shuttle / public transportation
- stay at HI Express, do I have to tip at breakfast?
- no need to tip housekeeping?
- eat only at fast food places (no table service) - no tip
- use minibar to take drinks down to the lounge - no tips
- fly an European airline, no need to tip for drinks in the lounge

How about that strategy :D ;) ?


i don't tip cabbies...i don't tip for breakfast. i don't tip housekeeping. i don't tip the bartender. And I ONLY tip if the restaurant did an excellent job - ie better than the ones in Japan - which in most cases, doesn't happen, so I don't normally tip the customary 15% or whatever. Waiters have to know that tips are like bonuses... They are not guaranteed.


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