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Old Jan 15, 2024, 10:36 pm
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Oct 2018 - Significant fare class changes with the introduction of new premium economy fares ("Premium Plus") and the elimination of 3-class F.
Related threads
3-class First seats now considered Domestic F/Polaris Business & selectable by 1K/GSs
Changes to UA's Fare Classes (19-20 October 2018)

Revenue buckets
J - Full Fare Business
C - Discount Business
D - Discount Business
Z - Deep Discount Business
P - Deep Discount Business
O - Full Fare PremiumPlus (Premium Economy)
A - Discount PremiumPlus (Premium Economy)
R - Deep Discount PremiumPlus (Premium Economy)
Y - Full Fare Coach
B - Full Fare Coach
M - Discount Coach
E - Discount Coach
U - Discount Coach
H - Discount Coach
Q - Discount Coach
V - Discount Coach
W - Deep Discount Coach
S - Deep Discount Coach
T - Deep Discount Coach
L - Deep Discount Coach
K - Deep Discount Coach
G - Deep Discount Coach
N - Basic Economy

Saver Award Inventory
IN - Elite (Plat/1K/GS) Saver Business or 2-cabin First Award
I - Non-Elite and Low Elite Saver Business or 2-cabin First Award
XN - Elite Saver Coach Award. Also available to Chase Gateway, Explorer, Quest, and United Club Visa cardholders as an undocumented benefit
X - Non-Elite Saver Coach Award

"Everyday" Award Inventory
JN - Elite/CC Everyday Business or 2-cabin First Award (may be open to all MP members )
ZN - Non-Elite Everyday Business or 2-cabin First Award (tracks to the Z bucket) (not clear if still used for award travel). Also used for buy-up upgrade offered at check-in. May be a factor in Skip-the-Waitliist availability
ON - Everyday PremiumPlus (Premium Economy) Award
YN - Elite/CC Everyday Coach Award (may be open to all MP members)
HN - Non-Elite Everyday Coach Award (tracks to the H bucket) (not clear this is still used)

Upgrade Inventory
PN - Y/B/M 1K Instant Upgrades (CPU eligible routes only); All GS sponsored upgrades Y->J (CPU, PlusPoints, miles)
PZ - Upgrades to Polaris Business, United Business, or United First (excepting GS sponsored upgrades and 1K Instant Upgrades)
RN - Upgrades to Premium Plus

Points earning for all upgrades is based on the originally purchased fare. Also see below.

Upgrades Note that upgraded flights will post to your MileagePlus statement as Z(X) where the second letter (X) is the original booking class. The parenthetical letter defines the earning rate for the flight as points are earned based on the original booking class.


How to read inventory numbers:
Why does J8C5D3Z0P0 mean?
The zero inventory is easy to explain, UA is presently unwilling to sell tickets using inventory in that fare class.
Does J8C5D3 mean there are 16 seats for sale? No -- there are just 8 available seats.
Inventory in a fare class is not additive but the lower fare classes are subsets of the higher fare classes
If UA sells / upgrades 1 seat in the premium fare class, the Inventory will like change to J7C4D2.
The J inventory is the total number of seats for sale in business/first. While C,D,Z, P ... are the number of seats UA is willing to sell in those lower fare classes
Going back to J8C5D3Z0P0, if you want 4 seats on a single PNR, you will have to purchase C fare, as there isn't enough inventory for D fare for everyone on the PNR and everyone on a common PNR must have the same fare class / fare basis.

In some cases, if a lower cabin is oversold, UA will then block, remove from inventory in the higher cabin to protect against the oversale.
Note the largest number for a UA fare class in public displays is 9 (some airlines limit to just 4), this prevents revealing too much information to the competitors or the public.

Award and upgrade inventory are also subsets on their respective cabin inventory

Management of inventory and maximizing revenue is the role of Revenue Management (RM), a highly secretive, proprietary operation of the airlines -- So inventory changes (within the physical limitations of the aircraft) will be dynamic and can change without notice as determine by RM

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Old Nov 19, 2011, 1:33 am
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Great thread!!

What is the current method to find availability in these classes??
Seatcounter is "under maintenance", I don't use KVS...
Pretending to book awards on the UA website still shows it, but
it is a royal pain to click on each flight to see fare buckets.
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Old Nov 19, 2011, 6:34 am
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
Don't B and Y fares only get 25% EQM bonus next year? Or am I misremembering?
I believe you are misremembering.
Originally Posted by brengaz
What is the current method to find availability in these classes??
Seatcounter is "under maintenance", I don't use KVS...
Pretending to book awards on the UA website still shows it, but
it is a royal pain to click on each flight to see fare buckets.
Seatcounter is never coming back because the underlying itn.net site that powered it is dead. You can go ahead and delete that bookmark.

The easiest option is to use co.com. It now has "expert mode" available when you do a revenue flight search by clicking on the "Fare Class" link in the right-most column of the search results page. If you have a browser that supports GreaseMonkey scripts then this will likely be attractive to you.

You can also use flightstats.com's tool if you want.
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Old Nov 19, 2011, 6:47 am
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Originally Posted by sbm12
....You can also use flightstats.com's tool if you want.
Does flightstats now offer award/upgrade fare classes?
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Does flightstats now offer award/upgrade fare classes?
Probably not.
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Old Nov 19, 2011, 10:28 am
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Originally Posted by sbm12
This data will eventually be included in the new FAQ but while waiting for that to be guilt I figured I'd share the details. These are all the fares in the new scheme:

Revenue buckets (RDM/PQM earnings)
F - Full Fare First (250%/150% or 175%/150% for 3/2 cabin)
A - Discount First (250%/150% or 175%/150% for 3/2 cabin)
J - Full Fare Business (175%/150%)
C - Full Fare Business (175%/150%)
D - Full Fare Business (175%/150%)
P - Discount Business (150%/150%)
Z - Deep Discount Business (150%/150%)
Y - Full Fare Coach (125%/150%)
B - Full Fare Coach (125%/150%)
M - Discount Coach (100%/100%)
E - Discount Coach (100%/100%)
U - Discount Coach (100%/100%)
H - Discount Coach (100%/100%)
Q - Discount Coach (100%/100%)
V - Discount Coach (100%/100%)
W - Deep Discount Coach (100%/100%)
S - Deep Discount Coach (100%/100%)
T - Deep Discount Coach (100%/100%)
L - Deep Discount Coach (100%/100%)
K - Deep Discount Coach (100%/100%)
G - Deep Discount Coach (100%/100%)
N - This will be unused (possibly for industry discount tix)

SaverPass Award Seats
ON - Elite (Plat/1K/GS) SaverPass First Award
O - Non-Elite and Low Elite SaverPass First Award
IN - Elite (Plat/1K/GS) SaverPass Business Award
I - Non-Elite and Low Elite SaverPass Business Award
XN - Elite SaverPass Coach Award
X - Non-Elite SaverPass Coach Award

EasyPass Award Seats
FN - EasyPass First Award
JN - Elite/CC EasyPass Business Award
ZN - Non-Elite EasyPass Business Award (tracks to the Z bucket)
YN - Elite/CC EasyPass Coach Award
HN - Non-Elite EasyPass Coach Award (tracks to the H bucket)

Upgrade Awards
ON - C->F on 3-cabin aircraft
PN - B/M-Up for Elites (tracks to the P bucket)
RN - Elite Upgrade to Business/Domestic F
R - Non-Elite Upgrade to Business/Domestic F
I've always been curious about the large number of economy fare categories. Why is there such a wide number and spread?
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I've always been curious about the large number of economy fare categories. Why is there such a wide number and spread?
CO had a few years there where they were using different fares for connecting and non-stop itineraries on the same route; I believe that is done now. Beyond that, the variety of fares does allow them to control sale fares and such in some markets. From what I've seen lately most markets don't use most of the fares.
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CO had a few years there where they were using different fares for connecting and non-stop itineraries on the same route; I believe that is done now. Beyond that, the variety of fares does allow them to control sale fares and such in some markets. From what I've seen lately most markets don't use most of the fares.
That's what I have observed. And it makes sense to use different classes for different sales. Thanks.
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Old Nov 19, 2011, 5:24 pm
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Originally Posted by brengaz
What is the current method to find availability in these classes??
Seatcounter is "under maintenance", I don't use KVS...
Pretending to book awards on the UA website still shows it, but
it is a royal pain to click on each flight to see fare buckets.
Well, you have answered your own question :
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes
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Old Nov 21, 2011, 8:52 pm
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Thread Clean-up time

I've moved recent posts discussing broader features of the KVS Availability thread to the TravelBuzz consolidated thread for that topic: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...-here-289.html

I've deleted posts from members warring with one another about commercial aspects of various posts and products. Ocn Vw 1K, Moderator.
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Old Nov 22, 2011, 9:00 pm
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So as I understand it, NF, NC, NY
is gone?
So will NC become the R/RN Code?
And NF will be ON?

Wonder how long it'll take to learn/understand these new code translations! I'm not 1K so I still never bothered to learn the old XY / NY since I also feel it's unnecessary to use miles for Y class Award for myself.
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Old Nov 24, 2011, 12:29 pm
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So will NC become the R/RN Code?
And NF will be ON?

Wonder how long it'll take to learn/understand these new code translations! I'm not 1K so I still never bothered to learn the old XY / NY since I also feel it's unnecessary to use miles for Y class Award for myself.
In the past, when I used miles to upgrade an M fare to an NC fare, I earned EQM miles. Will I earn EQMs on a R/RN fare?

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Old Nov 24, 2011, 12:44 pm
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In the past, when I used miles to upgrade an M fare to an NC fare, I earned EQM miles. Will I earn EQMs on a R/RN fare?
no change -- you will (and I have) earn EQMs based on your original fare class -- even if upgraded.
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no change -- you will (and I have) earn EQMs based on your original fare class -- even if upgraded.
Thanks.
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Old Feb 29, 2012, 9:48 am
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I purchased a regular paid economy class ticket for US marketed flights operated by UA.

united.com shows me as being booked in "R" for all those flights with seats confirmed in economy class.

So do these UA flights earn miles when credited to UA's program? It's not listed anywhere on united.com's earning chart, so how to decode this?
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Old Mar 4, 2012, 4:19 am
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UA Award Codes (Mar 12)

First - Saver Award (O)
First - Saver Award for Plat Elites & Upgrades (ON)
First - Standard Award (FN)
First - Upgrade from B/M Class for Elites (PN)
First/Business - Saver Award and Alliance Upgrades (I)
First/Business - Saver Award for Plat Elites (IN)
First/Business - Standard Award (ZN)
First/Business - Standard Award & Y Class Upgrade for Elites (JN)
First/Business - Upgrade with Miles/SWU/CR1 (R)
First/Business - Upgrade with Miles/SWU/CR1 for Elites (RN)
Coach - Saver Award (X)
Coach - Saver Award for Elites (XN)
Coach - Standard Award (HN)
Coach - Standard Award for Elites (YN)

Source: Expertflyer 4 March 12
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