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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
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https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
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M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
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You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

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You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
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3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

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...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
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https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
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http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
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http://www.myairlines.ru
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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
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http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
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http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
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http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
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http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
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Old Aug 10, 2011, 9:01 pm
  #4321  
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
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Originally Posted by jasonvr
Is this what you are referring to:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.4.0/Diamond - ITA: Awards/AC-StarAlliance/CA]
Code:
YVR  Vancouver Metro / Intl BC CA = YVR CXH [CYVR]
SYD  Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY]
THU  22 Dec 2011 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------
                                                            Awards Available:
                                                            CS: 24 Dec
                                                            YS: 23 Dec/25 Dec
That only comes up if I tick the "Calendar" check box
I ticked the calendar box, and compared the displayed availabiliy for several routes on several different days, with the calendar box not ticked.

I saw no difference in availability. I saw no availability for days in the future of the date requested, even with the calendar box ticked.

It is true that all my random requests for availability showed some availability (on the requested date) for business and/or economy class, with the calendar box ticked.
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Old Aug 10, 2011, 11:38 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
I ticked the calendar box, and compared the displayed availabiliy for several routes on several different days, with the calendar box not ticked.

I saw no difference in availability. I saw no availability for days in the future of the date requested, even with the calendar box ticked.

It is true that all my random requests for availability showed some availability (on the requested date) for business and/or economy class, with the calendar box ticked.
I'm no expert on this, but I thought the calendar checkbox only did something if there was no availability on the date you chose. It would then show alternate dates. If there is any availability, then it doesn't need to show alternate dates. Try the query I had above to see if you get the same thing.
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Old Aug 11, 2011, 11:59 am
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Question on Trying to Find Availability using CO miles

I got ruffly 150K CO miles and would like to book a trip to TUN....when attempting to look for the first segment, I am finding availability out ..but is this availability jus showing that theres 'availability' in that class? or does it mean I can use my miles in the saverpass to get it?
(hope im making sense)..


PDX Portland Intl OR US [KPDX]
IAD Washington Dulles Intl DC US [KIAD]
FRI 18 Nov 2011 | 2 Seats

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------
UA 250 PDX 07:48 IAD 15:40 752 0 FS+
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Old Aug 11, 2011, 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by mrx900
I got ruffly 150K CO miles and would like to book a trip to TUN....when attempting to look for the first segment, I am finding availability out ..but is this availability jus showing that theres 'availability' in that class? or does it mean I can use my miles in the saverpass to get it?
(hope im making sense)..


PDX Portland Intl OR US [KPDX]
IAD Washington Dulles Intl DC US [KIAD]
FRI 18 Nov 2011 | 2 Seats

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------
UA 250 PDX 07:48 IAD 15:40 752 0 FS+
It would be helpful to know which method you are using as there are several that will show *A availability. From the results, I'd say you are using the AC-StarAlliance. The FS+ indicates that there are 2 F seats available for redemption on that flight. In fact, since it is a UA flight, you can use the UA Award method and find out there are in fact 3 F seats available for redemption (XF3)

If you are using CO miles, you might want to use the new CO Award method, although, I have to admit, I have yet to figure out how to interpret the results especially for non-CO flights. However, I find using the actual CO site for award searching really easy and fast, especially when searching a lot of dates. It is also really fast to scan if there are business or first class seats available at saver rates.
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Old Aug 11, 2011, 1:46 pm
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Originally Posted by jasonvr
I'm no expert on this, but I thought the calendar checkbox only did something if there was no availability on the date you chose. It would then show alternate dates. If there is any availability, then it doesn't need to show alternate dates. Try the query I had above to see if you get the same thing.
That is correct.
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Old Aug 11, 2011, 1:51 pm
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Originally Posted by mrx900
I got ruffly 150K CO miles and would like to book a trip to TUN....when attempting to look for the first segment, I am finding availability out ..but is this availability jus showing that theres 'availability' in that class? or does it mean I can use my miles in the saverpass to get it?
(hope im making sense)..

Code:
PDX  Portland Intl OR US [KPDX]
IAD  Washington Dulles Intl DC US [KIAD]
FRI  18 Nov 2011 | 2 Seats

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
UA         250     PDX   07:48     IAD   15:40     752  0   FS+
Yes, you are looking at First Class ("F") Standard ("S") Award Availability and yes, you can use it as a part of a SaverPass reward.

Please see:
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Old Aug 11, 2011, 7:37 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
That is correct.
In terms of the calendar box, I tried jasonvr's example.

It works if I do not add any filters to the search. Now, it comes up as Dec 23/25 for economy class only.

The filter does not allow you to enter a specific airline - otherwise the functionality of alternate dates does now work.

What jasonvr's and my example does not display, is the airline that these awards on the other dates are available.

I also tried to filter this functionality by class - I added the letter "c" to the class requested - nothing happens.
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Old Aug 11, 2011, 8:42 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
In terms of the calendar box, I tried jasonvr's example.

It works if I do not add any filters to the search. Now, it comes up as Dec 23/25 for economy class only.

The filter does not allow you to enter a specific airline - otherwise the functionality of alternate dates does now work.

What jasonvr's and my example does not display, is the airline that these awards on the other dates are available.

I also tried to filter this functionality by class - I added the letter "c" to the class requested - nothing happens.
The calendar feature will not show the airlines on those other dates. If you've used the AC functionality on the website, it just shows a calendar of available dates. To see what is on those dates, do another search on the dates indicated.

You are correct that the "Availability required in Classes" doesn't seem to do anything. However, "Display only the following Classes" does seem to work, but it deletes the dates and just leaves CS which isn't very useful.
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Old Aug 13, 2011, 4:19 pm
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Originally Posted by jasonvr
it just shows a calendar of available dates. To see what is on those dates, do another search on the dates indicated.
That is correct.

Originally Posted by jasonvr
You are correct that the "Availability required in Classes" doesn't seem to do anything.
You cannot apply a Filter to informational messages (incl. Calendar listings), only to actual [Award] Availability results.
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Old Aug 20, 2011, 3:09 am
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ITA Engine Error?

Hi,
I'm very much a beginner, so apologies in advance if I'm doing something wrong, but for the last few days I've received the following error message when searching for an award between BHX-DXB on 2 Feb 12:

Datasource error[RD]:

"(Engine Error)"

The search works using the SNT method, and the ITN method works for different routings.

I am wondering what I am doing wrong?
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Old Aug 20, 2011, 5:52 pm
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Originally Posted by iantowns
I'm very much a beginner
Welcome to FT & the KVS Tool!

Originally Posted by iantowns
so apologies in advance if I'm doing something wrong, but for the last few days I've received the following error message when searching for an award between BHX-DXB on 2 Feb 12:

Datasource error[RD]:

"(Engine Error)"

The search works using the SNT method, and the ITN method works for different routings.

I am wondering what I am doing wrong?
It's an issue with the [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] engine -- please use the 'classic' [Awards/StarAlliance] Method for this route or try splitting your search into something like BHX-FRA/MUC/VIE/ZRH + YYZ/JFK-DXB (and ignoring the Trans-Atlantic portion):

[KVS Availability Tool 6.4.0/Diamond - ITA: Awards/AC-StarAlliance/CA]
Code:
BHX  Birmingham Intl UK [EGBB]
FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
THU  02 Feb 2012 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
LH/BD      959     BHX   07:00     FRA   09:45     320  0   CS+  YS+
LH         953     BHX   09:00     FRA   11:45     319  0   CS+  YS+
LH/BD      955     BHX   12:30     FRA   15:10     320  0   CS+  YS+
LH/BD      957     BHX   17:55     FRA   20:35     320  0   CS+  YS+
SN         2050    BHX   06:30     BRU   08:45     AR8  0   YS+
 -> LH     1007    BRU   09:35     FRA   10:45     733  0   YS+
LH/CL      2513    BHX   07:10     MUC   10:05     E95  0   CS+  YS+
 -> LH     109     MUC   10:50     FRA   12:05     321  0   CS+  YS+
LH/CL      2513    BHX   07:10     MUC   10:05     E95  0   YS+
 -> LH     111     MUC   12:00     FRA   13:10     321  0   YS+
LH/CL      2513    BHX   07:10     MUC   10:05     E95  0   YS+
 -> LH     113     MUC   13:40     FRA   14:50     321  0   YS+
LH/CL      2513    BHX   07:10     MUC   10:05     E95  0   YS+
 -> LH     115     MUC   14:45     FRA   15:55     321  0   YS+
LH/CL      2513    BHX   07:10     MUC   10:05     E95  0   YS+
 -> LH     117     MUC   16:30     FRA   17:40     321  0   YS+
LH/CL      2513    BHX   07:10     MUC   10:05     E95  0   YS+
 -> LH     119     MUC   18:05     FRA   19:15     321  0   YS+
LH/CL      2513    BHX   07:10     MUC   10:05     E95  0   YS+
 -> LH     121     MUC   19:05     FRA   20:15     321  0   YS+
LH/CL      2509    BHX   10:55     MUC   13:50     E95  0   YS+
 -> LH     115     MUC   14:45     FRA   15:55     321  0   YS+
LH/CL      2509    BHX   10:55     MUC   13:50     E95  0   YS+
 -> LH     117     MUC   16:30     FRA   17:40     321  0   YS+
LH/CL      2509    BHX   10:55     MUC   13:50     E95  0   YS+
 -> LH     119     MUC   18:05     FRA   19:15     321  0   YS+
LH/CL      2509    BHX   10:55     MUC   13:50     E95  0   YS+
 -> LH     121     MUC   19:05     FRA   20:15     321  0   YS+
LH/CL      2509    BHX   10:55     MUC   13:50     E95  0   YS+
 -> LH     123     MUC   19:55     FRA   21:05     321  0   YS+
LH/CL      2509    BHX   10:55     MUC   13:50     E95  0   YS+
 -> LH     125     MUC   21:00     FRA   22:10     321  0   YS+
SN         2040    BHX   12:05     BRU   14:15     AR1  0   YS+
 -> LH/CL  1015    BRU   15:40     FRA   16:40     E90  0   YS+
SN         2046    BHX   16:00     BRU   18:15     AR1  0   YS+
 -> LH     1019    BRU   19:20     FRA   20:20     319  0   YS+
LH/CL      2511    BHX   17:20     MUC   20:15     E95  0   YS+
 -> LH     125     MUC   21:00     FRA   22:10     321  0   YS+
[KVS Availability Tool 6.4.0/Diamond - ITA: Awards/AC-StarAlliance/CA]
Code:
YYZ  Toronto Pearson Intl ON CA [CYYZ]
DXB  Dubai AE [OMDB]
WED  01 Feb 2012 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
OS         72      YYZ   17:30     VIE   08:20 +1  767  0   CS+  YS+
 -> OS     839     VIE   13:05 +1  DXB   21:50 +1  767  0   CS+  YS+
AC         872     YYZ   17:30     FRA   07:00 +1  77W  0   CS+  YS+
 -> LH     630     FRA   14:50 +1  DXB   00:05 +2  346  0   CS+  YS+
LH         471     YYZ   18:35     FRA   08:50 +1  343  0   CS+  YS+
 -> LH     630     FRA   14:50 +1  DXB   00:05 +2  346  0   CS+  YS+
UA/AX      3330    YYZ   19:00     IAD   20:25     ER4  0   YS+
 -> UA     976     IAD   22:32     DXB   20:30 +1  777  0   YS+
AC         878     YYZ   20:50     ZRH   10:45 +1  763  0   YS+
 -> LX     242     ZRH   12:45 +1  DXB   21:40 +1  333  0   YS+
AC         876     YYZ   22:10     FRA   11:55 +1  333  0   CS+  YS+
 -> LH     630     FRA   14:50 +1  DXB   00:05 +2  346  0   CS+  YS+
AC         872     YYZ   17:30     FRA   07:00 +1  77W  0   CS+
 -> LH     1186    FRA   08:25 +1  ZRH   09:20 +1  321  0   CS+
 -> LX     242     ZRH   12:45 +1  DXB   21:40 +1  333  0   FS+
AC         872     YYZ   17:30     FRA   07:00 +1  77W  0   CS+
 -> OS     122     FRA   10:45 +1  VIE   12:10 +1  321  0   CS+
 -> OS     839     VIE   13:05 +1  DXB   21:50 +1  767  0   CS+
LH         471     YYZ   18:35     FRA   08:50 +1  343  0   CS+
 -> OS     122     FRA   10:45 +1  VIE   12:10 +1  321  0   CS+
 -> OS     839     VIE   13:05 +1  DXB   21:50 +1  767  0   CS+
AC         858     YYZ   22:55     LHR   11:15 +1  763  0   CS+
 -> LH     2477    LHR   15:25 +1  MUC   18:20 +1  321  0   CS+
 -> LH     638     MUC   21:45 +1  DXB   06:45 +2  346  0   FS+
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Old Aug 22, 2011, 4:30 am
  #4332  
 
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Many thanks KVS. ^
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Old Aug 24, 2011, 12:40 pm
  #4333  
 
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DL availability upgrade

Until today (for the past couple weeks) when looking at DL flight availabilty with GTC and/or FS (do not remember) it was listing G, V and other upgrade availaibility. Today they are NOT being displayed.
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Old Aug 24, 2011, 11:49 pm
  #4334  
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Arrow

Originally Posted by zman
Until today (for the past couple weeks) when looking at DL flight availabilty with GTC and/or FS (do not remember) it was listing G, V and other upgrade availaibility. Today they are NOT being displayed.
Unfortunately, it does appear that DL had removed its Upgrade Booking classes from the Availability Displays...
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Old Aug 25, 2011, 3:19 pm
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ah that sucks

Originally Posted by KVS
Unfortunately, it does appear that DL had removed its Upgrade Booking classes from the Availability Displays...

That was a huge advantage you had over EF! No way to get it back?

How are we coming on a true mobile app?
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