Stranded in EWR
Jul 10, 2023 | 6:04 pm
#31
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And in the ever-changing world of availability...as of this writing there's 1 F seat on Tuesday 7/11 EWR-TPA on the 1035 and 2025 departures. Snag them while you can.
-RM
Jul 10, 2023 | 6:13 pm
#32
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.... Not sure how this works on UA as most of my travel is on AA; does a person who paid for F but is traveling coach get added to the same upgrade list as everyone else? On AA there is a special code that must be added to show that you are an F passenger but traveling in economy because of the involuntary downgrade.
Jul 10, 2023 | 6:13 pm
#33
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This situation is most unfortunate, but as others have said, getting any carrier to invol reroute you to another in a paid premium cabin when the delay is outside their control is nearly impossible. If this were a mechanical, should be no issue. But they (and likely not unfairly so) take the view that they should not have to pay out for a delay they did not cause.
Jul 10, 2023 | 9:02 pm
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The FAA sets the volume that can operate over the affected routes. This is usually done by either closing routes or instituting miles-in-trail restrictions. They'll issue EDCTs (Expect Departure Clearance Times) to flights filed on the routes.
Every flight can operate. Eventually. But delaying many flights, many hours each, isn't a workable plan. What about the flights that the affected airplanes and crewmembers were supposed to operate after the delayed flight? You'll have all the south Florida flights sitting at EWR, LGA, JFK, IAD, DCA, CLT, ATL, etc. all day waiting for their slots, and all the people who were supposed to fly on those airplanes, and by those crews, for the rest of the day sitting looking at their empty departure gates.
Jacksonville Center is one of the ATC facilities that has been hit hard by staffing shortages. This reduces the amount of traffic they can handle on days like today. In the past, with more reasonable staffing levels, today's weather would not have resulted in such severe ATC restrictions as it does today. Delays were fewer, and shorter, and affected fewer flights.
Watched the NASS page for a few days and see what restrictions result from the weather-triggered ATC delays.
https://nasstatus.faa.gov/
Every flight can operate. Eventually. But delaying many flights, many hours each, isn't a workable plan. What about the flights that the affected airplanes and crewmembers were supposed to operate after the delayed flight? You'll have all the south Florida flights sitting at EWR, LGA, JFK, IAD, DCA, CLT, ATL, etc. all day waiting for their slots, and all the people who were supposed to fly on those airplanes, and by those crews, for the rest of the day sitting looking at their empty departure gates.
Jacksonville Center is one of the ATC facilities that has been hit hard by staffing shortages. This reduces the amount of traffic they can handle on days like today. In the past, with more reasonable staffing levels, today's weather would not have resulted in such severe ATC restrictions as it does today. Delays were fewer, and shorter, and affected fewer flights.
Watched the NASS page for a few days and see what restrictions result from the weather-triggered ATC delays.
https://nasstatus.faa.gov/
Last edited by RetiredATLATC; Jul 10, 2023 at 9:10 pm
Jul 10, 2023 | 10:02 pm
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They've been extremely stingy with me. They allowed *A rebooking, but refused to interline to an airline in a different alliance even going as far as to tell me multiple times that it is not possible due to a system limitation and has never been possible.
Jul 10, 2023 | 10:58 pm
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Yeah, I like that,"never been possible", lie. UA used to treat me like a vip as a 1K. I still remember one instance where a last-minute MX issue was going to cause me to miss my flight to Tokyo. The GA quickly and competently rebooked me on DL in J and then, ran with me to the gate where the DL connector was departing to convert/endorse my ticket over to DL. I was the last pax to board on that flight, and I made it to Japan on time. I had incredible gratitude to UA in that instance, and it inspired years of follow-on loyalty on my part. Even as recently as 2019, the 1K desk would do some incredible things for me to get me where I needed to be. All of my goodwill towards UA is gone now, washed away, "like tears in rain."
Jul 10, 2023 | 11:08 pm
#38
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There was no weather today
the United clown show of the past three weeks did that for me.
the United clown show of the past three weeks did that for me.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Jul 11, 2023 at 12:10 am Reason: merged consecutive posts by same member
Jul 11, 2023 | 12:12 am
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Jul 11, 2023 | 5:31 am
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LarryJ knows how ATC works, I redact my snide comment. I don't know how the game is played anymore, I only did it at ATL for 30 years.....however times have changed.
Jul 11, 2023 | 5:42 am
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Jul 11, 2023 | 6:28 am
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Jul 11, 2023 | 7:11 am
#43
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The FAA sets the volume that can operate over the affected routes. This is usually done by either closing routes or instituting miles-in-trail restrictions. They'll issue EDCTs (Expect Departure Clearance Times) to flights filed on the routes.
Every flight can operate. Eventually. But delaying many flights, many hours each, isn't a workable plan. What about the flights that the affected airplanes and crewmembers were supposed to operate after the delayed flight? You'll have all the south Florida flights sitting at EWR, LGA, JFK, IAD, DCA, CLT, ATL, etc. all day waiting for their slots, and all the people who were supposed to fly on those airplanes, and by those crews, for the rest of the day sitting looking at their empty departure gates.
Jacksonville Center is one of the ATC facilities that has been hit hard by staffing shortages. This reduces the amount of traffic they can handle on days like today. In the past, with more reasonable staffing levels, today's weather would not have resulted in such severe ATC restrictions as it does today. Delays were fewer, and shorter, and affected fewer flights.
Watched the NASS page for a few days and see what restrictions result from the weather-triggered ATC delays.
https://nasstatus.faa.gov/
Every flight can operate. Eventually. But delaying many flights, many hours each, isn't a workable plan. What about the flights that the affected airplanes and crewmembers were supposed to operate after the delayed flight? You'll have all the south Florida flights sitting at EWR, LGA, JFK, IAD, DCA, CLT, ATL, etc. all day waiting for their slots, and all the people who were supposed to fly on those airplanes, and by those crews, for the rest of the day sitting looking at their empty departure gates.
Jacksonville Center is one of the ATC facilities that has been hit hard by staffing shortages. This reduces the amount of traffic they can handle on days like today. In the past, with more reasonable staffing levels, today's weather would not have resulted in such severe ATC restrictions as it does today. Delays were fewer, and shorter, and affected fewer flights.
Watched the NASS page for a few days and see what restrictions result from the weather-triggered ATC delays.
https://nasstatus.faa.gov/
Jul 11, 2023 | 7:29 am
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Jul 11, 2023 | 8:37 am
#45
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I was under the impression that interline agreements didn't pay face value for the tickets; whether its negotiated or a % basis, but when I've had my UA tickets endorsed over it typically is a dollar amount that is either equal or equivalent to the fare I originally paid.