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United and Emirates Expand Market Presence Through New Agreement
September 14, 2022 Operations
United to launch new nonstop flights between Newark/New York and Dubai starting in March of 2023;
United customers can soon connect through Dubai to more than 100 destinations and Emirates customers can more easily fly to nearly 200 U.S cities through Chicago, San Francisco and Houston
CHICAGO and DUBAI, Sept. 14, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- United and Emirates announced a historic commercial agreement today that will enhance each airline's network and give their customers easier access to hundreds of destinations within the United States and around the world*.
United will launch a new direct flight between Newark/New York and Dubai starting in March 2023 – from there, customers can travel on Emirates or its sister airline flydubai to more than 100 different cities. Tickets for United's new Dubai flight are now on sale.
Starting in November, Emirates customers flying into three of the nation's biggest business hubs – Chicago, San Francisco and Houston – will have access to nearly 200 U.S. cities in the United network – most of which only require a one-stop connection. At eight other U.S. airports served by Emirates – Boston, Dallas, LA, Miami, JFK, Orlando, Seattle and Washington DC – both airlines will have an interline arrangement in place.
United and Emirates announced their agreement today at a ceremonial event at Dulles International Airport, hosted by United CEO Scott Kirby and Emirates President Sir Tim Clark, featuring United and Emirates Boeing 777-300ER aircraft and flight crews from each carrier.
"This agreement unites two iconic, flag carrier airlines who share a common commitment to creating the best customer experience in the skies," said United CEO Scott Kirby. "United's new flight to Dubai and our complementary networks will make global travel easier for millions of our customers, helping boost local economies and strengthen cultural ties. This is a proud moment for both United and Emirates employees, and I look forward to our journey together."
"Two of the biggest, and best-known airlines in the world are joining hands to fly people better to more places, at a time when travel demand is rebounding with a vengeance. It's a significant partnership that will unlock tremendous consumer benefit and bring the United Arab Emirates and the United States even closer," said Sir Tim Clark, President Emirates Airline. "We welcome United's return to Dubai next year, where our hub Dubai essentially becomes a gateway for United to reach Asia, Africa and the Middle East via the combined network of Emirates and flydubai. We look forward to developing our partnership with United for the long term."
Soon customers of both airlines can book these connecting flights on a single ticket – making check-in and luggage transfer faster and easier. For example – travelers will be able to visit United.com or use the United app to book a flight from Newark/New York to Karachi, Pakistan or go to Emirates.com to book a flight from Dubai to Atlanta or Honolulu.
This agreement will also give the loyalty program members of both airlines more opportunities for more rewards: United MileagePlus® members flying on United's Newark/New York to Dubai flight can soon earn and redeem miles when connecting beyond on Emirates and flydubai and Emirates Skywards members will be able to earn miles when they travel on United operated flights. Eligible United customers will also soon have access to Emirates lounges when connecting to and from United's new Dubai flight.
Both airlines have recently announced significant investments in the customer experience. Emirates will retrofit more than 120 aircraft as part of a $2 billion effort that includes elevated meal choices, a brand-new vegan menu, a 'cinema in the sky' experience, cabin interior upgrades, and sustainable choices. At United, the airline will add 500 new Boeing and Airbus aircraft to its fleet with a focus on a new signature interior that includes seat-back screens in every seat, larger overhead bins, Bluetooth connectivity throughout, and the industry's fastest available in-flight WiFi.
* Codeshare activities and United's new flight to Dubai are subject to government approvals.
September 14, 2022 Operations
United to launch new nonstop flights between Newark/New York and Dubai starting in March of 2023;
United customers can soon connect through Dubai to more than 100 destinations and Emirates customers can more easily fly to nearly 200 U.S cities through Chicago, San Francisco and Houston
CHICAGO and DUBAI, Sept. 14, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- United and Emirates announced a historic commercial agreement today that will enhance each airline's network and give their customers easier access to hundreds of destinations within the United States and around the world*.
United will launch a new direct flight between Newark/New York and Dubai starting in March 2023 – from there, customers can travel on Emirates or its sister airline flydubai to more than 100 different cities. Tickets for United's new Dubai flight are now on sale.
Starting in November, Emirates customers flying into three of the nation's biggest business hubs – Chicago, San Francisco and Houston – will have access to nearly 200 U.S. cities in the United network – most of which only require a one-stop connection. At eight other U.S. airports served by Emirates – Boston, Dallas, LA, Miami, JFK, Orlando, Seattle and Washington DC – both airlines will have an interline arrangement in place.
United and Emirates announced their agreement today at a ceremonial event at Dulles International Airport, hosted by United CEO Scott Kirby and Emirates President Sir Tim Clark, featuring United and Emirates Boeing 777-300ER aircraft and flight crews from each carrier.
"This agreement unites two iconic, flag carrier airlines who share a common commitment to creating the best customer experience in the skies," said United CEO Scott Kirby. "United's new flight to Dubai and our complementary networks will make global travel easier for millions of our customers, helping boost local economies and strengthen cultural ties. This is a proud moment for both United and Emirates employees, and I look forward to our journey together."
"Two of the biggest, and best-known airlines in the world are joining hands to fly people better to more places, at a time when travel demand is rebounding with a vengeance. It's a significant partnership that will unlock tremendous consumer benefit and bring the United Arab Emirates and the United States even closer," said Sir Tim Clark, President Emirates Airline. "We welcome United's return to Dubai next year, where our hub Dubai essentially becomes a gateway for United to reach Asia, Africa and the Middle East via the combined network of Emirates and flydubai. We look forward to developing our partnership with United for the long term."
Soon customers of both airlines can book these connecting flights on a single ticket – making check-in and luggage transfer faster and easier. For example – travelers will be able to visit United.com or use the United app to book a flight from Newark/New York to Karachi, Pakistan or go to Emirates.com to book a flight from Dubai to Atlanta or Honolulu.
This agreement will also give the loyalty program members of both airlines more opportunities for more rewards: United MileagePlus® members flying on United's Newark/New York to Dubai flight can soon earn and redeem miles when connecting beyond on Emirates and flydubai and Emirates Skywards members will be able to earn miles when they travel on United operated flights. Eligible United customers will also soon have access to Emirates lounges when connecting to and from United's new Dubai flight.
Both airlines have recently announced significant investments in the customer experience. Emirates will retrofit more than 120 aircraft as part of a $2 billion effort that includes elevated meal choices, a brand-new vegan menu, a 'cinema in the sky' experience, cabin interior upgrades, and sustainable choices. At United, the airline will add 500 new Boeing and Airbus aircraft to its fleet with a focus on a new signature interior that includes seat-back screens in every seat, larger overhead bins, Bluetooth connectivity throughout, and the industry's fastest available in-flight WiFi.
* Codeshare activities and United's new flight to Dubai are subject to government approvals.
Emirates Business Class Lounge
Location: Terminal 3, Concourse A and Concourse B
Eligibility
Location: Terminal 3, Concourse A and Concourse B
Eligibility
- United Polaris® business class customers
Consolidated DXB connections / Emirates (EK) codeshares / logistics / lounges / ....
Mar 7, 2023, 12:09 am
#181
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I mean, I guess? This post sort of implies that if you were to fly DEN-EWR-DXB-MLE, you'd get PQP for the DXB-MLE leg. You will not, unless UA alters MileagePlus in a way that they haven't yet announced. UA sells plenty of tickets that don't include PQPs, even if they offer UA codes.
But, yes, if you fly UA metal, you'll earn PQP on those segments only.
But, yes, if you fly UA metal, you'll earn PQP on those segments only.
Mar 7, 2023, 12:31 am
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No, the point is to generate more revenue for UA and EK. Benefits to the traveler are ancillary at best.
Correct, and you can use a property constructed UA through fare to do it. A codeshare wasn't necessary for either of those things, but it does make it somewhat simpler. The biggest advantage -- from the carriers' perspective -- is that they're allowed to coordinate schedules. Without the limited antitrust immunity that comes with a codesharing agreement, if UA and EK tried to arrange their schedules to make it convenient for passengers to connect, it could be considered illegal restraint of trade (collusive dealing). For example, AA could complain that passengers were being given preferential treatment for connecting to UA service instead of AA service at ORD.
Because you're not flying a PQP-earning carrier.
UA codeshares with plenty of airlines that do not earn PQP, or, in some cases, even redeemable miles. For example, you can fly EI on a UA code, and you will not earn PQP, because EI is not a PQP-earning partner, and throwing a UA code on top of that makes no difference.
Is this the best arrangement for UA? Probably not; I suspect they'd probably like to get EK to pay them for PQP / RDM on UA-coded flights from DXB. They might be working on that in some back room -- heck, it could be announced tomorrow, for all I know. But as of today, you will not receive any MileagePlus credit for flights operated by EK, even if it's a UA codeshare on a UA ticket connecting to a UA-operated flight.
UA codeshares with plenty of airlines that do not earn PQP, or, in some cases, even redeemable miles. For example, you can fly EI on a UA code, and you will not earn PQP, because EI is not a PQP-earning partner, and throwing a UA code on top of that makes no difference.
Is this the best arrangement for UA? Probably not; I suspect they'd probably like to get EK to pay them for PQP / RDM on UA-coded flights from DXB. They might be working on that in some back room -- heck, it could be announced tomorrow, for all I know. But as of today, you will not receive any MileagePlus credit for flights operated by EK, even if it's a UA codeshare on a UA ticket connecting to a UA-operated flight.
Mar 7, 2023, 12:58 am
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Announcement coming any day now. I think it'll be PQP friendly, but let's see.
With Russian airspace closed to UA and Star Alliance partner AI spending billions to expand, UA needs a way to serve the booming Indian market. 1/3 of the 27 codeshare cities are in India. Denying passengers PQP on these new codeshare routes would encourage them to fly AI.
UA would much rather we fly EWR-DXB on UA metal and give us the PQP for the short extensions.
With Russian airspace closed to UA and Star Alliance partner AI spending billions to expand, UA needs a way to serve the booming Indian market. 1/3 of the 27 codeshare cities are in India. Denying passengers PQP on these new codeshare routes would encourage them to fly AI.
UA would much rather we fly EWR-DXB on UA metal and give us the PQP for the short extensions.
Mar 7, 2023, 10:27 am
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Re PQP:
Does UA give PQP on any non-*A carrier (that’s also not affiliated with or owned by a *A carrier)?
Do any *A carriers give status qualifying currencies to non-*A partners?
AC also has a new tie-up with EK and whilst you can earn RDM on EK, you don’t earn anything for status.
Does UA give PQP on any non-*A carrier (that’s also not affiliated with or owned by a *A carrier)?
Do any *A carriers give status qualifying currencies to non-*A partners?
AC also has a new tie-up with EK and whilst you can earn RDM on EK, you don’t earn anything for status.
Mar 7, 2023, 11:34 am
#186
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I am sorry I really don't think this was the right move for UA. Before Russian airspace closed, UA had the best (and growing) India presence from the US. UA, through STAR, also has India's ONLY full service carrier as a partner - AI. JV with AI on India/US and offer nonstops from a variety of US cities to a variety of Indian cities (meaning coordinate with AI instead of competing with them). Also offer different departure times - UA tended to leave the US in the evening while AI leaves in the early afternoon. If I was AI. I would partner with AA or DL. What ever you think of AI, at least they tried to break the US-India mold (afternoon departures from US with afternoon arrivals in India that allowed for connecting flights or road journeys). EU/US carriers are still offering the same old same old. Let's hope the UA flight at least uses a different bank than the main EK one (which departs India at 4am - talk about the WORST departure time).
Mar 7, 2023, 1:49 pm
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I mean, I guess? This post sort of implies that if you were to fly DEN-EWR-DXB-MLE, you'd get PQP for the DXB-MLE leg. You will not, unless UA alters MileagePlus in a way that they haven't yet announced. UA sells plenty of tickets that don't include PQPs, even if they offer UA codes.
But, yes, if you fly UA metal, you'll earn PQP on those segments only.
But, yes, if you fly UA metal, you'll earn PQP on those segments only.
UA (and other carriers) have plenty of partnerships that don't involve qualifying miles. In fact, in the previous iteration of interlining with EK (this was pre-merger UA), you would fly on the extinct UA IAD-DXB flight, then onto your destination (and vv. to get home) in that part of the world and not earn any miles at all, so getting even RDM is an improvement. My wife did this a couple of times back in the day, and worked out fairly well (even had an op-up on DXB-IAD once).
This. It benefits UA by being able to get their passengers to destinations they don't serve, or get them more easily to destinations that even current partners serve. That's all. And getting EK to funnel their pax to non-gateway cities in North America. Same for EK from the other way. The pax benefits aren't being done because they want to shower extra benefits for flying a different carrier, but as an incentive for flying this way.
With Russian airspace closed to UA and Star Alliance partner AI spending billions to expand, UA needs a way to serve the booming Indian market. 1/3 of the 27 codeshare cities are in India. Denying passengers PQP on these new codeshare routes would encourage them to fly AI.
UA would much rather we fly EWR-DXB on UA metal and give us the PQP for the short extensions.
UA would much rather we fly EWR-DXB on UA metal and give us the PQP for the short extensions.
I am sorry I really don't think this was the right move for UA. Before Russian airspace closed, UA had the best (and growing) India presence from the US. UA, through STAR, also has India's ONLY full service carrier as a partner - AI. JV with AI on India/US and offer nonstops from a variety of US cities to a variety of Indian cities (meaning coordinate with AI instead of competing with them). Also offer different departure times - UA tended to leave the US in the evening while AI leaves in the early afternoon. If I was AI. I would partner with AA or DL. What ever you think of AI, at least they tried to break the US-India mold (afternoon departures from US with afternoon arrivals in India that allowed for connecting flights or road journeys). EU/US carriers are still offering the same old same old. Let's hope the UA flight at least uses a different bank than the main EK one (which departs India at 4am - talk about the WORST departure time).
Heck, we moved to SF during the pandemic, and would have greatly benefited from the UA planned non-stop to BLR. Now that can't happen. Waiting for it, still.
As for timings, US and Indian carriers have far different needs which accounts for this. UA is primarily catering towards passengers connecting in the US, and builds their schedules for that. AI is building their schedules towards the needs of connections in India. Having the US-India flights depart in the evening allows UA to gather pax from around the US for those departures, and landing early morning in the US allows them to connect back home quickly. AI is not needing that, they do that on the other end.. It's a PITA to connect onwards from UA flights in India, as most you have to overnight in BOM/DEL. IMO, far better to fly via FRA/MUC, or SIN, for the cities you can, as the connections are much better that way.
Mar 7, 2023, 2:40 pm
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Mar 7, 2023, 2:43 pm
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Mar 17, 2023, 7:38 am
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The MileagePlus earning rate for Emirates is now published:
016 tickets - earning based on fare paid with Premier multiplier
Non-016 tickets:
No PQP will be earned on Emirates flights.
There is also a double award miles promotion for Emirates flights between March 26, 2023 and April 30, 2023.
016 tickets - earning based on fare paid with Premier multiplier
Non-016 tickets:
No PQP will be earned on Emirates flights.
There is also a double award miles promotion for Emirates flights between March 26, 2023 and April 30, 2023.
To qualify for this offer you must book and travel on a flight operated by United between the United States-New York/Newark-Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) and United Arab Emirates-Dubai International Airport (DXB) and connect onto an eligible Emirates flight. Double bonus miles are only eligible on the eligible Emirates flight to select destinations on or between March 26, 2023 and April 30, 2023. Maximum bonus miles earned for an Emirates Business segment is 5,000 miles and 2,500 miles for an Emirates Premium Economy or Economy segment for all members, regardless of status.
Mar 17, 2023, 9:38 am
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For anyone who doubts this — yes, UA does not explicitly say “no PQP.” However, check the difference in wording between Virgin Australia — which specifically does say that you get Premier credit — and Emirates. Also, I did a sample search to BLR. A lower fare via FRA generated more PQP than a higher fare through DXB — but the higher fare listed more base miles. UA may change their mind later, but there’s no question that there’s not currently any PQP on those flights.
Also note that Emirates flights only qualify for MileagePlus if they are on the same ticket as UA’s EWR-DXB flight and only “select routes” qualify — probably the same routes that UA included in its codeshare application, although it doesn’t name them or say anything about needing a UA code.
Access to award space, if any, would likely be its own announcement — or might just show up unannounced, actually. I don’t see any yet.
As far as crediting flights to UA — I suspect, if you’re flying UA to DXB and then taking one of those specific connecting flights, most people will go ahead and credit to UA, but you could certainly credit them to wherever you’d normally credit Emirates flights. I know AS used to have a partnership with them, but I no longer see that on the MileagePlan page (or on where-to-credit).
Also note that Emirates flights only qualify for MileagePlus if they are on the same ticket as UA’s EWR-DXB flight and only “select routes” qualify — probably the same routes that UA included in its codeshare application, although it doesn’t name them or say anything about needing a UA code.
Access to award space, if any, would likely be its own announcement — or might just show up unannounced, actually. I don’t see any yet.
As far as crediting flights to UA — I suspect, if you’re flying UA to DXB and then taking one of those specific connecting flights, most people will go ahead and credit to UA, but you could certainly credit them to wherever you’d normally credit Emirates flights. I know AS used to have a partnership with them, but I no longer see that on the MileagePlan page (or on where-to-credit).
Mar 17, 2023, 3:54 pm
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For anyone who doubts this — yes, UA does not explicitly say “no PQP.” However, check the difference in wording between Virgin Australia — which specifically does say that you get Premier credit — and Emirates. Also, I did a sample search to BLR. A lower fare via FRA generated more PQP than a higher fare through DXB — but the higher fare listed more base miles. UA may change their mind later, but there’s no question that there’s not currently any PQP on those flights.
Also note that Emirates flights only qualify for MileagePlus if they are on the same ticket as UA’s EWR-DXB flight and only “select routes” qualify — probably the same routes that UA included in its codeshare application, although it doesn’t name them or say anything about needing a UA code.
Access to award space, if any, would likely be its own announcement — or might just show up unannounced, actually. I don’t see any yet.
As far as crediting flights to UA — I suspect, if you’re flying UA to DXB and then taking one of those specific connecting flights, most people will go ahead and credit to UA, but you could certainly credit them to wherever you’d normally credit Emirates flights. I know AS used to have a partnership with them, but I no longer see that on the MileagePlan page (or on where-to-credit).
Also note that Emirates flights only qualify for MileagePlus if they are on the same ticket as UA’s EWR-DXB flight and only “select routes” qualify — probably the same routes that UA included in its codeshare application, although it doesn’t name them or say anything about needing a UA code.
Access to award space, if any, would likely be its own announcement — or might just show up unannounced, actually. I don’t see any yet.
As far as crediting flights to UA — I suspect, if you’re flying UA to DXB and then taking one of those specific connecting flights, most people will go ahead and credit to UA, but you could certainly credit them to wherever you’d normally credit Emirates flights. I know AS used to have a partnership with them, but I no longer see that on the MileagePlan page (or on where-to-credit).
MileagePlus members can redeem miles on Emirates flights on select routes between Dubai (DXB) and Africa, the Middle East, and the South Asian Subcontinent as part of an award reservation that includes a United flight between Newark (EWR) and Dubai (DXB) all on the same ticket. Visit united.com to find out how many miles you'll need to fly one way or roundtrip, depending on class of service and region of travel, on any Star Alliance or partner network airline. You can book award travel on Emirates through united.com.
Also, after they joined oneworld, AS is no longer a partner with Emirate.