econ

And PE equipped aircraft from/to DEN.

exp

So maybe not a lot of difference between a 738 recliner in First and a PP on a 772?

And with the pandemic, food and drink service in premium cabin isn't much to write home about.

Kacee

Doesn't PE have a leg and footrest? That would be material to me.

IAH-OIL-TRASH

Definitely a footrest. I keep trying to sit in a PE seat, but I keep getting upgraded . I think PE would be fine daytime between West Coast to Hawaii, having spent many a butt-day in domestic F seats across the water as a reference. I think they look to be better than domestic F, comfort-wise. My best chance is 12/23 HNL-SFO - got my PE seat locked up and (almost) hoping First sells out.

econ

If traveling solo, I’d rather be in a domestic F recliner rather than PE.

I sat in a PE seat on this route a few weeks ago (PP request did not clear) and the difference in shoulder room between the two was noticeable.

Actually, in that scenario to me I’d almost prefer an E+ seat if I knew I’d have an empty middle.

emcampbe

yes to legrests. And bigger screens, I think. As per above, was in a P+ seat SFO-OGG, and IMO, more comfortable than most, if not all, UA domestic F seats I’ve sat in, with pitch that is >= domestic F seats. The biggest potential minus is the ability to end up flying alone in one of the 2 middle seats in the middle section of 4 in terms of harder to get out into the aisle as you need, but then again, you could end up with that issue in Y (or the domestic 777s in biz, if those come back).

Kacee

PE pitch is listed at 38" which is the same as older UA domestic F. Most refitted UA F cabins are 37", though with the new seats, pitch is a bit less important because the seat slides to recline, so the seatback doesn't actually move back nearly as much. DL and AA have gone as low as 36" on some aircraft (whereas AS's new F cabins are 41"). PE has 6 inches of recline, which is better than virtually all UA domestic F at 4 or 5".

Pat89339

Just a few observations/comments to share from my SFO-HNL flight yesterday.
Row 20 has leg rests, rows 21 and 22 have footrests. I was in 21J and a bit concerned about flying in a middle seat, with a broken foot and in a fracture boot. It was surprisingly easy to hop into the seat from the aisle and there was more than enough space to accommodate my boot. The footrest, which to me looks like two bike pedals, could be raised out of the way. In my opinion the seat was more comfortable than flying up front in a domestic aircraft. My Platinum seat mate on the aisle commented that until recently she had been upgraded to Business every flight. Well, the holidays…

You have to be a contortionist to access the headset jack, power, and USB ports, so it’s best to plug in while standing. I didn’t have that option and the controls were on the side of my non-dominant hand so it was extra difficult from a seated position.

Hawkeyefan

Cool descriptive pic. Looks like exercise bike pedals you can use during flight

DELee

For taller flyers in PE seats, the issue with the footrests is that they impinge on the footwell space since the footrests are attached to the seat in front of yours.

Makes it even harder to get comfortable for folks with longer legs and bigger feet - broken foot and fracture boot notwithstanding.

David

zeus2120

Totally agree. The Domestic F seat is better than the PE seat and an E+ row with the middle open is > that PE. Only time I'll be paying a premium for PE is if E is completely full and I'm not traveling alone. Also all of the day of departure upgrades I've been offered for PE have been $100 less than upgrading into J. That makes a J upgrade a no brainer if it's available for only $100 more than PE.

emcampbe

agree on this - I’m not sure who designed that. In fact, it’s hard to even find unless you know where to look, because it’s hiding under the armrest as well. definitely pretty much a requirement to move the armrest up to access the headphone jack, but even with that, not very easy to plug in.

that said, I’m not sure the old CO BF seats were
much better - the only really better thing is that they weren’t covered by an armrest, but still probably harder to access behind you. Mind you, I’ve only been in those seats a couple of times, but first time I tried to plug in there, first thing I wondered was how could someone intentislly design it like this?

exp

Thinking of going to HNL and either KOA or OGG in February. Also thinking of flying KOA/OGG in the morning of the departure before flight back to SFO.

Is it advisable?

Say I fly back from OGG or KOA to HNL before a 9:45 AM departure to SFO on UA?

Obviously it would be more advisable to do a muticity, fly into or out of HNL to the US and fly into or out of OGG or KOA.

The only reason why I ask s no flatbeds from OGG or KOA to SFO that I could see.​​​​​​​

HNLbasedFlyer

I'm not sure I'm entirely deciphering your post. I wouldn't purposely backtrack to HNL to get a lie-flat on a morning flight - I'd book the direct OGG-SFO or KOA-SFO - and get more sleep in your hotel bed. You'll likely have strong tailwinds in February/Winter, so the flight likely won't even be that long.

h0und10

I thought there was some lie flats from OGG to SFO some of the 752s have lie flats I believe.