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kevanyalowitz Mar 10, 2019 9:05 am


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 30868947)


The issue is improper management of a flight control system designed to counteract an aerodynamic consequence of the engine placement, in a narrowly-defined phase of flight, and the cause of the ET crash is hardly assured.

It’s disturbing, but I have no qualms stepping aboard a UA MAX right now.

Correct. But my understanding is the AoA/trim "issue" is likely the same on any 737 MAX. In other words, the MAX 9 may well have the same issue as the MAX 8. Nevertheless, I too wouldn't have any issues boarding a UA MAX.

EWR764 Mar 10, 2019 9:12 am


Originally Posted by kevanyalowitz (Post 30868957)
Correct. But my understanding is the AoA/trim "issue" is likely the same on any 737 MAX. In other words, the MAX 9 may well have the same issue as the MAX 8. Nevertheless, I too wouldn't have any issues boarding a UA MAX.

Correct. The MCAS is standard on the MAX8/9.

prestonh Mar 10, 2019 9:25 am

The cause of the ET crash was already released? That was a fast investigation. Could someone point me to the results please?

Xyzzy Mar 10, 2019 9:38 am


Originally Posted by prestonh (Post 30869024)
The cause of the ET crash was already released? That was a fast investigation. Could someone point me to the results please?

No - the investigation is far fr:(m complete.

BB2220 Mar 10, 2019 9:47 am


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 30869075)
No - the investigation is far fr:(m complete.

But why let that silly little detail stop us from mass hysteria?

txaggiemiles Mar 10, 2019 9:56 am


Originally Posted by BB2220 (Post 30869103)

But why let that silly little detail stop us from mass hysteria?

please point me to the mass hysteria

IluvSQ Mar 10, 2019 9:57 am


Originally Posted by txaggiemiles (Post 30868899)


I have intentionally avoided the max since the lionair crash and will continue to do so.

As have I

N830MH Mar 10, 2019 10:10 am


Originally Posted by Aussienarelle (Post 30868734)
Does United fly the 737MAX, or have any on order?

Yes, they already orders 100 737-MAX10, 61 737-MAX9.

cerealmarketer Mar 10, 2019 10:12 am

I avoid the anything newer than a 738 if I can.

Different reason - UA and DL have made them the most uncomfortable planes in their fleets for both cabins.

IAH-OIL-TRASH Mar 10, 2019 10:14 am

I flew a 739MAX OGG-LAX last month. I don't if it's any more prone to crashing (we made it), The United logo placement on the wall you see immediately on boarding was the indicator it was a new aircraft version - I even said "ooh, new plane!" to the FA at the door. It's pretty unique (in placement).

prestonh Mar 10, 2019 10:24 am


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 30868947)


The issue is improper management of a flight control system designed to counteract an aerodynamic consequence of the engine placement, in a narrowly-defined phase of flight, and the cause of the ET crash is hardly assured.

It’s disturbing, but I have no qualms stepping aboard a UA MAX right now.

correlation does not imply causation
so many things can happen in take-off phase that it is way too early to point to either the aircraft, engines, or crew at this point. Many things are possible, does not mean they are likely.

Mike Jacoubowsky Mar 10, 2019 10:25 am

US-based pilots are well aware of the issues that lead to the crash of the earlier 737 Max, and have been trained appropriately. It's not just our lives at stake; it's their own too. I regularly train (ride bicycles) with an AA pilot and he's definitely on top of this stuff. I have no issue whatsoever flying a mainline legacy carrier aircraft of any type. I have flown Ethiopian Air, actually the exact same route as this morning's disaster. Like many (not all!!!) carriers outside the US, there is a sense of "fly casual." Flying in the US is extremely safe. Flying elsewhere is likely much safer than any other way to get around (although I might have some misgivings about a few South American carriers; that plane in Peru that burned to the ground a couple years ago... I was on that airline, at that location, just a couple weeks prior. It didn't surprise me. Nobody died if I recall correctly).

BB2220 Mar 10, 2019 10:31 am


Originally Posted by txaggiemiles (Post 30869128)


please point me to the mass hysteria

Look around you. It’s starting

artvandalay Mar 10, 2019 10:35 am

We should know within 24 hours what the impact of the second crash will have on Wall Street, hysteria notwithstanding. It will be interesting to see how major US carrier-customers of the MAX manage the imminent spin crisis. How many people will really book away from flying on these airplanes?

cmd320 Mar 10, 2019 10:36 am


Originally Posted by BB2220 (Post 30869243)

Look around you. It’s starting

I'm not sure that customers choosing to avoid flying on a very new aircraft which has suffered two completely fatal accidents in a short period of time is that hysterical. If people were to say they're never flying again that may be a different story.

I personally will avoid the aircraft, at least for now. That may change in the future, however even though it's too early to tell what happened in this particular case, I personally (and I think many other people) would like to have a bit more information before voluntarily stepping on to one of these planes.


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