![]() |
Originally Posted by prestonh
(Post 30869727)
Is AA/UA/WN going to dispatch a frame with a known faulty AOA sensor from the previous flight without a certification flight?
|
Originally Posted by Mike Jacoubowsky
(Post 30869222)
US-based pilots are well aware of the issues that lead to the crash of the earlier 737 Max, and have been trained appropriately. It's not just our lives at stake; it's their own too. I regularly train (ride bicycles) with an AA pilot and he's definitely on top of this stuff. I have no issue whatsoever flying a mainline legacy carrier aircraft of any type. I have flown Ethiopian Air, actually the exact same route as this morning's disaster. Like many (not all!!!) carriers outside the US, there is a sense of "fly casual." Flying in the US is extremely safe. Flying elsewhere is likely much safer than any other way to get around (although I might have some misgivings about a few South American carriers; that plane in Peru that burned to the ground a couple years ago... I was on that airline, at that location, just a couple weeks prior. It didn't surprise me. Nobody died if I recall correctly).
|
Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH
(Post 30869185)
I flew a 739MAX OGG-LAX last month. I don't if it's any more prone to crashing (we made it), The United logo placement on the wall you see immediately on boarding was the indicator it was a new aircraft version - I even said "ooh, new plane!" to the FA at the door. It's pretty unique (in placement).
|
Originally Posted by JimInOhio
(Post 30869782)
In your opinion, has that very good and effective process played out in the investigation of and remediation efforts from the Lion Air crash?
Do you have reason to believe it hasn't?
Originally Posted by sleuth
(Post 30869783)
Of course not now. But that’s not what the argument was. The argument was that pilots are “well aware”. They weren’t prior to crash #1 . Presumably Ethiopian’s pilots are also “now” “well aware” of the issue. But that didn’t stop this one from crashing if it involves the same flaw. As for the MCAS system, I would argue it's not flawed at all, and in fact is a safeguard. But when the system is functioning as designed after being fed faulty data, and the subsequent human intervention is also incorrect, those are links in the chain of events that end in catastrophe. |
Originally Posted by sleuth
(Post 30869783)
Of course not now. But that’s not what the argument was. The argument was that pilots are “well aware”. They weren’t prior to crash #1. Presumably Ethiopian’s pilots are also “now” “well aware” of the issue. But that didn’t stop this one from crashing if it involves the same flaw. So you state 'flaw'. Can you state what this flaw is? |
Originally Posted by BB2220
(Post 30869103)
But why let that silly little detail stop us from mass hysteria? Has this ever happened before in modern times? That 2 brand new planes of a certain new model crashed within a year of the new model release? |
Originally Posted by blueman2
(Post 30869851)
When 2 new planes using new flight software crash within months of each other, then I hardly call someone questioning the safety of this plane "mass hysteria".
Has this ever happened before in modern times? That 2 brand new planes of a certain new model crashed within a year of the new model release? |
Difference in 737 and 737-Max.
What are the difference, or is there one, in 737 and 737-max planes? How do I know when I look at my booking. I am on a 737-700 from ORD to BUF later today.
Trying to understand what routes UA flies these planes and How to tell |
I am avoiding the plane for now. Twice in just a few months is scary.
|
Originally Posted by HawkeyeFlyer
(Post 30869885)
What are the difference, or is there one, in 737 and 737-max planes? How do I know when I look at my booking. I am on a 737-700 from ORD to BUF later today.
Trying to understand what routes UA flies these planes and How to tell ETA: The 737 MAX 7 is expected to enter service later this year. It hasn't been as popular as the MAX 8 and MAX 9 due to capacity differences. |
Originally Posted by blueman2
(Post 30869851)
Has this ever happened before in modern times? That 2 brand new planes of a certain new model crashed within a year of the new model release?
The fact that it seems to be a highly unusual occurrence in this era is a fantastic development and a testament to how far the industry has advanced in terms of safety and technological progress. |
Originally Posted by blueman2
(Post 30869851)
When 2 new planes using new flight software crash within months of each other, then I hardly call someone questioning the safety of this plane "mass hysteria".
Originally Posted by blueman2
(Post 30869851)
Has this ever happened before in modern times? That 2 brand new planes of a certain new model crashed within a year of the new model release?
|
Originally Posted by jsloan
(Post 30869916)
There is no 737 MAX 7 (yet). The only 737 MAX UA flies is the 737 MAX 9, which will appear in the flight status as "Boeing 737 MAX 9."
ETA: The 737 MAX 7 is expected to enter service later this year. It hasn't been as popular as the MAX 8 and MAX 9 due to capacity differences. |
Originally Posted by HawkeyeFlyer
(Post 30869885)
What are the difference, or is there one, in 737 and 737-max planes? How do I know when I look at my booking. I am on a 737-700 from ORD to BUF later today.
Trying to understand what routes UA flies these planes and How to tell |
I’m avoiding this aircraft! I already hate the 739’s, and avoid them when possible due to headaches after flying in them. It’s extremely hard to avoid, but I do my best. I flew FLL-IAH on a Max and it just felt different. Again, all my only reasons, but I’m avoiding the Max and just switched my Air Canada flight to avoid the Max. |
| All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:37 pm. |
This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.