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atword Mar 19, 2020 2:40 pm


Originally Posted by Silver Fox (Post 32206818)
I think they will realise the error of their ways and go to 3 across seating so we can maintain a safe distance.

I wish I could click HaHa and not just Like. :D

uastarflyer Mar 20, 2020 3:45 am


Originally Posted by Silver Fox (Post 32206818)
I think they will realise the error of their ways and go to 3 across seating so we can maintain a safe distance.

but still 17” width

mrmoo Mar 20, 2020 7:12 am


Originally Posted by mcrw00 (Post 32206664)
EDIT: Started a redundant thread by mistake. Here was the meat of my post:

Call me pessimistic, but I could see many of the below happening and staying in place until UA’s growth rates return to pre-crisis levels:

- Increased checked bag fees
- Seat reservation fees for all nonelite Y pax >24 hours before flight
- Charge for soft drinks on most domestic flights
- Aggressive hawking of TOD upgrades (verbal pitches at the gate, etc)
- Scaling down of Polaris onboard service: simplified dessert, termination of Saks partnership / return to generic bedding

Might as well fly a LCC at that point. At least everyone is treated poorly and I don't have to worry about not getting an upgrade I had no chance at anyway.

jupper Mar 22, 2020 10:00 am


Originally Posted by UAL757222 (Post 32176656)
I’m very interested to see how he does when he takes over in May handling this crisis and if he can be a true Uniter and navigate through some turbulent skies.

If how Doug Parker and Scott Kirby ran US+HP on a divide-and-conquer mantra, and then the same with (US+HP)+AA, is any indication; nope he's not a Uniter.


Originally Posted by worldtrav (Post 32176728)
The bigger question is if any of the cuts become permanent and what the future United product looks like.

Given all the "flux" surrounding airlines and global travel right now, and the uncertainty of the future (given the current pandemic); I think he's already looking at business models for the future, that never waste a good crisis mantra comes to mind...


Originally Posted by mrmoo (Post 32210392)
Might as well fly a LCC at that point. At least everyone is treated poorly and I don't have to worry about not getting an upgrade I had no chance at anyway.

Remember that HP was considered a LCC before the US+HP merger...

dilanesp Mar 22, 2020 12:12 pm

I really hate this thread. Scott Kirby is trying to save his airline right now.

DELee Mar 22, 2020 12:32 pm

There's many upon many reasons this thread is named "Kirby Kutbacks".

David

cmd320 Mar 22, 2020 1:15 pm


Originally Posted by dilanesp (Post 32219037)
I really hate this thread. Scott Kirby is trying to save his airline right now.

Lol, Scott Kirby is trying to secure his career right now.

PsiFighter37 Mar 22, 2020 1:55 pm

I had this in the viability thread, but here is some speculation, more on routes than anything:

-elimination of many of the summer seasonal / leisure routes, along with routes that do not carry enough demand. I would think the logical thing would be for UA to route lots of traffic through *A hubs (FRA, ZRH, BRU) to drive coverage to Europe and cut direct flights
-possibly rethink utilizing NRT as a *A hub for Asia flying - maybe reinstate connections from IAD and ORD, since there are no slot restrictions. Perhaps limit direct flights to China solely to SFO and align NRT-PVG/PEK/HKG on NH to work for connections elsewhere
-heavy frequency reduction of premium TCON routes, retiring sUA 752s (and possibly some sCO 752s), and densifying the routes using a mix of 788s, 78Js and HD 772s
-early retirement of older widebodies? Perhaps the 764s are first to go, before any capex is sunk into retrofits?

username Mar 22, 2020 2:06 pm


Originally Posted by PsiFighter37 (Post 32219421)
...
-possibly rethink utilizing NRT as a *A hub for Asia flying - maybe reinstate connections from IAD and ORD, since there are no slot restrictions. Perhaps limit direct flights to China solely to SFO and align NRT-PVG/PEK/HKG on NH to work for connections elsewhere
...

With HND opening up more slots and more NH/UA flights shifting to HND, how would it work?

I wonder if a lot of the retrofits (Polaris, CRJ550) will be put on hold.

Are they going to devalue MileagePlus more or somehow use it to stimulate demand, including redemptions?

I can see some of the improvements going away - no more free snacks in Y, etc. Maybe even the free 1K/GS snack. Basically every department will be asked to cut xx%...

SS255 Mar 22, 2020 2:20 pm


Originally Posted by jupper (Post 32218556)

Remember that HP was considered a LCC before the US+HP merger...

That was also its ticker symbol. ;) Nothing like a little truth in advertising!

PsiFighter37 Mar 22, 2020 3:41 pm


Originally Posted by username (Post 32219458)
With HND opening up more slots and more NH/UA flights shifting to HND, how would it work?

I wonder if a lot of the retrofits (Polaris, CRJ550) will be put on hold.

Are they going to devalue MileagePlus more or somehow use it to stimulate demand, including redemptions?

I can see some of the improvements going away - no more free snacks in Y, etc. Maybe even the free 1K/GS snack. Basically every department will be asked to cut xx%...

UA will hold onto the HND slots, I’m sure, but I could see them dialing back direct TPAC flights elsewhere and route them through NRT instead. Who knows - just purely guessing.

As for Polaris retrofits, I think the 764s will never get Polaris before they are retired, and it will take much longer for 788/789s to be done (if ever).

bocastephen Mar 22, 2020 9:07 pm


Originally Posted by dilanesp (Post 32219037)
I really hate this thread. Scott Kirby is trying to save his airline right now.

It's not HIS airline - according to many forum posters, the airline belongs to so-called 'shareholders'. I suspect he won't be involved with United that much longer anyway.

uastarflyer Mar 22, 2020 10:25 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 32220776)
It's not HIS airline - according to many forum posters, the airline belongs to so-called 'shareholders'. I suspect he won't be involved with United that much longer anyway.

His ouster should be condition 2 or 3 of taking a bailout. First being no dividends or buybacks, and worker protections. Oscar can hang on another 6-12 months and transition things to a rational successor.

Weatherboy Mar 22, 2020 10:41 pm


Originally Posted by uastarflyer (Post 32220968)
His ouster should be condition 2 or 3 of taking a bailout. First being no dividends or buybacks, and worker protections. Oscar can hang on another 6-12 months and transition things to a rational successor.

Poor Oscar. End of February the economy and the airline was booming and he was golden to sail off into the sunset. Now he's working with a practically bankrupt airline that can count its daily passenger loads bu the dozen.

travelinmanS Mar 22, 2020 10:50 pm


Originally Posted by Weatherboy (Post 32220990)
Poor Oscar. End of February the economy and the airline was booming and he was golden to sail off into the sunset. Now he's working with a practically bankrupt airline that can count its daily passenger loads bu the dozen.

Oscar is many things but poor is not one of them!

I don’t think that Kirby will be jettisoned in any bailout. If UA survives, he’ll still stick around unfortunately. Cutbacks will continue only now he will use “coronavirus” as an overarching excuse for any and all cutbacks.


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