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IAH-OIL-TRASH Mar 10, 2020 4:03 pm


Originally Posted by atword (Post 32166256)
It goes well with elites getting Kicked to the Kirb. #kickedtothekirb

Don't want to lead this thread too far off topic, but UA decides who is "elite" not the individual traveler. If one is kickedtothekirb, one is not "elite" based on UA's current definition. One is stripped of "eliteness" and THEN kickedtothekirb.

jupper Mar 10, 2020 4:12 pm


Originally Posted by findark (Post 32165969)
The vast majority of these, like not serving water in Y, are wild exaggerations. If they cut, it will be in incremental ways that are not easy to quantify, like cheaper food in F or fewer soda options in Y.

Erm, at US Air there was a time any liquid you wanted you needed to pay for, even water... Well before Buy-on-Board happened in the US Domestic market...


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 32166100)
I did forget to include one that he might resurrect from that era: Only fares booked in F,J,C,P,O,A,R,Y,B,M will earn any form of Elite qualification credit. Everything else earns a (reduced) amount of RDM. In Baldanza-speak that means "pay up or get lost".

I think the old USAir Cockroaches might make a reappearance if that were to happen...


Originally Posted by iapetus (Post 32166123)
However, I also want to state that I love the term 'Kirby Kutbacks'.

I second the motion ! ;)

cmd320 Mar 10, 2020 4:25 pm

Kirby is bad news. One need not look any further than AA to see what a disaster he and Doug made of that.

milepig Mar 10, 2020 5:06 pm

Isn’t the chow in the clubs theoretically tied to my annual membership fee?

I’d think that with fewer people flying they’d have more money for food?

I know. This is life under Kirby.

gene2632 Mar 10, 2020 5:20 pm

My favorite cut back is m not booking on UA. Now that I am no longer a hub hostage I am happily looking at other options when we travel.

fly18725 Mar 10, 2020 5:24 pm

Passenger amenities are a very, very small portion of an airline’s cost. When you’re facing a dire situation, as United and it’s peers are with net bookings down 50-100% depending on region, you go after the big rocks. That means planes will be parked, flights cut, and some staff laid off or furloughed.

Load factors are - and will be - so low that cutting amenities would save hardly anything.

Some other facts to add context: Kirby has been very clear that while United will act aggressively to save the airline and employees’ jobs, he sees this crisis as an opportunity to take share from other, weaker carriers (ahem, AA). While there will be big capacity cuts, there is still a view to the future. Also, MP is United’s biggest asset and they know that’s a piggy bank they may need to tap in the future. I think care will be taken to avoid pushing elites away, though corporate travel is currently dead.

bocastephen Mar 10, 2020 5:31 pm


Originally Posted by fly18725 (Post 32166649)
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Load factors are - and will be - so low that cutting amenities would save hardly anything.

.... I think care will be taken to avoid pushing elites away, though corporate travel is currently dead.

Yes, that was very obvious in the recent change to the refund policy titled "you're going whether you like it or not, to someplace which may or may not be safe, unless we change the schedule and you miss a full day plus 1hr at the destination you didn't want to go to in the first place".

fly18725 Mar 10, 2020 5:40 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 32166670)
Yes, that was very obvious in the recent change to the refund policy titled "you're going whether you like it or not, to someplace which may or may not be safe, unless we change the schedule and you miss a full day plus 1hr at the destination you didn't want to go to in the first place".

I think that was more about no money coming in, so they had to stem the flow going out.

This is an unprecedented situation that appears to be impacting the airlines far beyond the scope of 9/11 or 2008. Customers may wish to adjust their expectations accordingly.

IAH-OIL-TRASH Mar 10, 2020 6:47 pm


Originally Posted by milepig (Post 32166592)
Isn’t the chow in the clubs theoretically tied to my annual membership fee?

I’d think that with fewer people flying they’d have more money for food?

I know. This is life under Kirby.

Absolutely not. Fewer people means they have to spend less on the current food volumes. UA sees this a savings opportunity, not an opportunity to upgrade the offerings.

drvannostren Mar 10, 2020 9:22 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 32165891)
vi) light bites are gone, pajamas gone

THERE WAS JAMMIES!? I just flew "true" Polaris for the first time this past weekend and didn't know about the PJs. I had read previously the jelly pillows had to be asked for, but on this flight they were on every seat. I could see them eliminating those, not sure if there's any cost savings there other than laundering the covers, but they seemed a little superfluous to me.

The light bites, assuming I'm thinking of the right things...I could see those getting bounced. Having the self serve snacks and water in the galley was nice, they also seemed to change at some point during the flight, either that or the FAs just have a grab bag full of random stuff. I took a kitkat once, never saw another there for the rest of the flight. I did order the grilled cheese...it was VERYyyyyy Meh. M&M meats (here in Canada...do they have it in the US?) used to sell frozen grilled cheese sandys individually packed in some weird foil that you'd microwave and it came out semi-crispy, like some of the pizzas that have the silver tray with them. Those were better than this. It was a half sandwich first of all, which is fine but they don't mention that. It was very thin and the bread overpowered the cheese, which shouldn't really be the case I feel.

kevflyer Mar 10, 2020 9:43 pm

Slippers are gone too

xzh445 Mar 10, 2020 10:07 pm


Originally Posted by Austin787 (Post 32166013)
Whatever cuts happen, coronavirus and reduced demand will be used as excuses. And cuts likely remain even when things improve.

........ depending on what Delta does

halls120 Mar 11, 2020 12:49 am


Originally Posted by gene2632 (Post 32166637)
My favorite cut back is m not booking on UA. Now that I am no longer a hub hostage I am happily looking at other options when we travel.

This. There are other options out there, and I exercise them.

drvannostren Mar 11, 2020 8:46 pm


Originally Posted by kevflyer (Post 32167401)
Slippers are gone too

Not sure if you're still just speculating, or replying and saying slippers are gone...on my recent flight slippers were on the menu as an item that needed to be requested, while I didn't, I did see some slippers left on board so presumably they were available.

username Mar 11, 2020 8:51 pm


Originally Posted by findark (Post 32165969)
The vast majority of these, like not serving water in Y, are wild exaggerations. If they cut, it will be in incremental ways that are not easy to quantify, like cheaper food in F or fewer soda options in Y.

Well, they did go "no free water" on USAir for a while then they retracted. So, hopefully he learned that lesson.

I don't blame UA if it starts cutting. This thing is brutal and they need to find ways to survive, right? We also need to not lose our miles and lifetime statuses...


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