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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 10:38 am
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Originally Posted by PsiFighter37
Would be curious to know why the NGs would have this issue but not the MAX - are the wing structurally different given the new engines?
Do any maxes have enough cycles under their belts to expect comparable data would be available?
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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 1:45 pm
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Originally Posted by PsiFighter37
Sounds pretty serious and not at all easy to fix either. Is this something that is checked during regular maintenance?
Probably at a major overhaul interval when they have to pull the plane apart. I worked for BA at the tech blocks in LHR on 747 majors at one point in my career, There were
a number of significant structural inspections carried out on those, using a range of techniques.
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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 2:25 pm
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It’s been a tough month for Boeing, with the 777X static wing test failing too.
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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 2:49 pm
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It would take almost 10 years at 10 flights a day to reach 35,000 cycles.
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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 4:12 pm
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It would take almost 10 years at 10 flights a day to reach 35,000 cycles.
Key word is probably 10 landings a day, not 10 flights. Not sure why anyone cares about takeoff...though the wings could be full of fuel and their heaviest at that point. But it's during landing that they're supposed to get the biggest dynamic loading. Often the plan is to have fuel tanks not so full when landing occurs. In turbulent air, you'd think it could get quite bad. My memory is a bit blurry but I seem to remember these things designed to survive a 30 ft free fall onto their landing gear. The static equivalent g load, and on the pickle fork, is probably way up past 10 g's, with probably a good FS of 5+.
How many touch-and-go's are done in a day if somebody's practicing?
737-600, -700, -800 & -900 are all 737NG's. I'm not aware of UA having any -600's. In any case, there might be 7000 of these out there. They've been in service since late 1998. How many have had over 35000 cycles? Potentially quite a few.
35k. 90k cycles. I'm a bit surprised the fatigue life is that low. That's low cycle fatigue in my book. Are these polymer composite laminate structures? I don't know.

shhh... Almost every 737 in the sky is a 737NG right now.

I wonder what the acceptable crack size, where and in what orientation, is before the books associate them with an unacceptable crack opening energy.

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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 4:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Long Zhiren
Key word is probably 10 landings a day, not 10 flights.
In most cases, each successful flight ends with one landing.
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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 4:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Long Zhiren
Key word is probably 10 landings a day, not 10 flights.
What are you trying to say?
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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 4:49 pm
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Originally Posted by moondog
What are you trying to say?
In Aerospace engineering, a flight cycle is defined by number of landings, not the number of anything else that happens during a flight.
And by blunt definition, a landing, is just a controlled crash. It's a very violent structural loading. The aircraft's structure gets its most severe loading, maybe the only significant loading, when it comes in dynamic contact with the ground. Try playing in a flight simulator some time. If anything is really tricky, it's the landing.
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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 4:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Long Zhiren
In Aerospace engineering, a flight cycle is defined by number of landings, not the number of anything else that happens during a flight.
And by blunt definition, a landing, is just a controlled crash. It's a very violent structural loading. The aircraft's structure gets its most severe loading, maybe the only significant loading, when it comes in dynamic contact with the ground. Try playing in a flight simulator some time. If anything is really tricky, it's the landing.
Okay. In that case, I refer you to post 21. To put it another way, flights without landings are beyond the scope of this discussion.
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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 5:50 pm
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian
Lost as in it failed? Lost as in it fell off?

(Only the second one rises to the level of pickle forks.)
this is like 8 inflight shutdowns already.....
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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 5:53 pm
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"If it's Boeing, we aren't going." seems to be the new version of the motto....
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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 6:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Long Zhiren
The static equivalent g load, and on the pickle fork, is probably way up past 10 g's, with probably a good FS of 5+.
Uhhh... more like 2.5G and a FS of 1.5. The thing has to fly, not be gravitationally bound to the runway.
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Old Sep 30, 2019 | 12:55 pm
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Originally Posted by djmp
Its been a tough month for Boeing, with the 777X static wing test failing too.
Actually, high pressure stress test and a cargo door blew. Nothing to do with the wing.
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Old Sep 30, 2019 | 12:57 pm
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Actually, high pressure stress test and a cargo door blew. Nothing to do with the wing.
So would it be fair to say this was a high pressure month for Boeing & Co?

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Old Sep 30, 2019 | 4:48 pm
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian
Lost as in it failed? Lost as in it fell off?

(Only the second one rises to the level of pickle forks.)
I sure hope theyre sending out search parties and that they find it soon.
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