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Old Feb 12, 2019, 1:21 am
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This is the archive thread, the active thread is Lufthansa GPUs Go Electronic (How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,...)

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with a GPU, see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA or Lufthansa. You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Request a GPU for a Select Partner Airline.

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply a GPU

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)
While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not.
Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
Appears this also applies to use of UA GPUs IF booked as native flight number on LH or UA ticket stock.
Presently UA is not converting codeshare to native flight numbers, as required for this process, if P or Z fare
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P ,Z-class LH flights with a GPU. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist . The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS ( amadeus altea ) rejected online and agent checkin . The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate GPU
A single GPU can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that GPU cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH GPU upgrades to reflect this change.

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Old Oct 26, 2017, 4:40 pm
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Sorry if this question has been answered before, but how do UA GPU requests on LH get prioritized? Is it by time of request or by fare class?

In particular, does a B/Y class ticket on LH (not code share) have priority over other fare classes for GPU upgrade requests?

Thanks!
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Old Oct 26, 2017, 4:43 pm
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Originally Posted by kyym
Sorry if this question has been answered before, but how do UA GPU requests on LH get prioritized? Is it by time of request or by fare class?

In particular, does a B/Y class ticket on LH (not code share) have priority over other fare classes for GPU upgrade requests?

Thanks!
I believe LH uses a system to rank customers based on their perceived value. Status and fare class obviously count, but I do not believe it is as simple as the United system.
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Old Oct 26, 2017, 5:50 pm
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Originally Posted by kyym
Sorry if this question has been answered before, but how do UA GPU requests on LH get prioritized? Is it by time of request or by fare class?

In particular, does a B/Y class ticket on LH (not code share) have priority over other fare classes for GPU upgrade requests?

Thanks!
Originally Posted by findark
I believe LH uses a system to rank customers based on their perceived value. Status and fare class obviously count, but I do not believe it is as simple as the United system.
Fare class has very high value on LH. I have seen UA *G get OPUPs when LH SENs did not ... On a Y/B fare you are pretty much on the top of the list and if you couple that with SAG you are pretty much set.
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Old Oct 26, 2017, 6:08 pm
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Originally Posted by cfischer
Fare class has very high value on LH. I have seen UA *G get OPUPs when LH SENs did not ... On a Y/B fare you are pretty much on the top of the list and if you couple that with SAG you are pretty much set.
Thanks so much! I am on a Y-fare applying a GPU on FRA-DEL, where there appear to be around 8-10 J class seats available for sale.

What's a SAG?
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Old Oct 26, 2017, 8:06 pm
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Originally Posted by kyym
Thanks so much! I am on a Y-fare applying a GPU on FRA-DEL, where there appear to be around 8-10 J class seats available for sale.

What's a SAG?

Star Alliance Gold. How do you know 8-10 J seats are for sale? The max you can tell is '9' ...
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Old Oct 26, 2017, 10:42 pm
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Star Alliance Gold. How do you know 8-10 J seats are for sale? The max you can tell is '9' ...
even worse, LH's max count in fare class inventory is 4.
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Old Oct 26, 2017, 11:04 pm
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Don't book tickets together

Sorry if this has come up earlier. I scanned many of the previous 75 pages. If you're booking as a couple and don't mind being split up, I assume it's better to book as separate reservations. For example, we booked early Nov LH DEN-FRA two months ago and applied the GPUs right after booking. I've noticed each day since T-14, one to two business seats filling up. Yes, I know it could be paying customers, but when I called LH, they admitted they often release one seat at a time and it's likely we're being passed over. LH said there is no way to separate into two tickets and United said the same thing. Any advice?
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Old Oct 27, 2017, 1:01 am
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You can ask LH to split the reservation. If it orginated from UA, they are unlikely to touch it on the LH end.
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Old Oct 27, 2017, 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by cfischer
Star Alliance Gold. How do you know 8-10 J seats are for sale? The max you can tell is '9' ...
Thanks. I looked at one-way J from FRA-DEL on the LH site and saw 10 seats unassigned in J (though I agree that's likely a poor proxy).

What is the best place to check on whether the LH upgrade with a SWU has cleared? On the UA website? Or on the LH "manage my booking" site? Do they send an e-mail if the upgrade is confirmed?

Finally, what happens if it does not clear at T-10? Are you out of luck fully or do you get moved to a "gate-level" upgrade list?

Sorry for the basic questions - it's my first time trying to use a UA GPU on LH after they went to doing this electronically. Thanks!
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What is the best place to check on whether the LH upgrade with a SWU has cleared? On the UA website? Or on the LH "manage my booking" site? Do they send an e-mail if the upgrade is confirmed?
LH view of the PNR. You should currently show a segment in I class with status "Waitlisted" - it will change to "Confirmed" if they choose to clear your upgrade.

Originally Posted by kyym
Finally, what happens if it does not clear at T-10? Are you out of luck fully or do you get moved to a "gate-level" upgrade list?
I believe that unofficially the computer will continue to sweep upgrades in the background until past T-10h, but that you may be out of luck after that (i.e. if a J pax is offloaded as a no-show).
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Old Oct 27, 2017, 5:11 pm
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Great - thanks so much!
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Old Oct 27, 2017, 7:25 pm
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Originally Posted by kyym

Finally, what happens if it does not clear at T-10? Are you out of luck fully or do you get moved to a "gate-level" upgrade list?

Sorry for the basic questions - it's my first time trying to use a UA GPU on LH after they went to doing this electronically. Thanks!
There is no such thing as T-10. It is a myth from UA. Upgrades clear until they close the flight and the last seat is assigned.
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Old Oct 28, 2017, 3:55 pm
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Thanks!
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Old Nov 2, 2017, 3:27 am
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Just used a GPU on LH for the first time, after checking availability on EF. Painless - instant confirmation on the UA website, and then I just went to LH.com and chose my seat.
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Old Nov 4, 2017, 10:38 pm
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Booked DEN-FRA nonstop a little more than two months ago (two passengers on one record, W Fare). Applied the upgrades at booking. At the time J appeared to be less than half full. It gradually filled up, but earlier today about 32 hours before departure, it was showing J7. An hour later was suddenly J0. Still appears to be 5-6 unassigned seats (and 3 blocked) and I cannot generate a boarding pass due to an error message that does include a comment about having an upgrade waitlisted. Is that normal not to be able to get a boarding pass when you have a waitlisted upgrade? I did seat selection and picked 54 H&J (the first set of two at the back of the plane). Then a few hours later they bumped us up a few rows. So I went back in and chose 54 B&C. It was interesting that they opened up for seat selection about 26 hours before the flight departure...
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