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Old Feb 12, 2019, 1:21 am
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This is the archive thread, the active thread is Lufthansa GPUs Go Electronic (How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,...)

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with a GPU, see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA or Lufthansa. You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Request a GPU for a Select Partner Airline.

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply a GPU

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)
While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not.
Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
Appears this also applies to use of UA GPUs IF booked as native flight number on LH or UA ticket stock.
Presently UA is not converting codeshare to native flight numbers, as required for this process, if P or Z fare
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P ,Z-class LH flights with a GPU. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist . The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS ( amadeus altea ) rejected online and agent checkin . The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate GPU
A single GPU can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that GPU cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH GPU upgrades to reflect this change.

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Old Mar 2, 2022, 10:15 am
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Originally Posted by findark
I have never had an issue like this. If you are correctly waitlisted, should involve being booked on the native LH code, right? Is the LH website not working for seat assignments?
Yes - it's an LH ticket, purchased on the LH website. On the website it says the ticket you have booked cannot do online seat assignments, either call or wait for check in. When I call, they say they can't do seat assignments because of the waitlisting. I tried the Brussels Airlines site - that ostensibly allows the seat assignments but the page just hangs when you try to do it.
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Strange. I have always been able to assign seats online with the LH website as long as the flight is LH marketed. Always 016 tickets though, so maybe the addition of the waitlist to a 220 ticket by UA messed something up?
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Originally Posted by findark
Strange. I have always been able to assign seats online with the LH website as long as the flight is LH marketed. Always 016 tickets though, so maybe the addition of the waitlist to a 220 ticket by UA messed something up?
Good call. The last time I did this, though I ended up not flying in January, it was an 016 ticket, and didn't have these issues. So you've nailed the only fundamental difference. Interesting (and annoying!)
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Old Mar 2, 2022, 1:51 pm
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I called in today, and used the LH first class number, and they were able to give me seat assignments without any issues - but they did say that waitlisting causes problems for doing it online. Looks like you just need an agent that knows what to do. Sadly for me, only aisle seats available, but I'll take them and maybe some of the upgrades will clear (though with only 2 F seats for sale on 3 of the sectors, I'm guessing that's unlikely).
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Originally Posted by cricketer
I called in today, and used the LH first class number, and they were able to give me seat assignments without any issues - but they did say that waitlisting causes problems for doing it online. Looks like you just need an agent that knows what to do. Sadly for me, only aisle seats available, but I'll take them and maybe some of the upgrades will clear (though with only 2 F seats for sale on 3 of the sectors, I'm guessing that's unlikely).
This is normal. Always that way. Once waitlisted you can no longer self-select a seat but CS can do it. I always have to remember to first select a seat and then apply +Ps
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Originally Posted by cfischer
This is normal. Always that way. Once waitlisted you can no longer self-select a seat but CS can do it. I always have to remember to first select a seat and then apply +Ps
Aha, thank you for clarifying! The last time I did this the PP upgrade site was failing, so I definitely selected seats before they were applied. All makes sense now - and clearly I just got two bad agents on the first attempt when I was routed to the Philippines in the middle of the night.
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Old Mar 2, 2022, 9:55 pm
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Originally Posted by cricketer
...and clearly I just got two bad agents on the first attempt when I was routed to the Philippines in the middle of the night.
LH or UA agents?

UA phone agents know nothing about applying PlusPoints for the select partners -- the agents are never involved in the process and can not provide any help
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Old Mar 3, 2022, 10:12 am
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LH or UA agents?

UA phone agents know nothing about applying PlusPoints for the select partners -- the agents are never involved in the process and can not provide any help
LH.. the plus points applied fine, my challenge was with the seat assignments.
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Originally Posted by cricketer
LH.. the plus points applied fine, my challenge was with the seat assignments.
I have gotten seat assignments via 'contact form on website' or the F hotline before. Sometimes you get a MOLA on the LH or LX side claiming seat assignments are not possible. HUCA. It's not just UA with MOLA problems
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Mistaken or lying agents (MOLA) causing one to hang up & call again (HUCA) can indeed be found at any carrier.
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Does UA require 40PP to upgrade a UA O-class (Premium Economy) fare to I-class on LH?

Or is it the same as UA's upgrade PP requirement - 30PP?
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Does UA require 40PP to upgrade a UA O-class (Premium Economy) fare to I-class on LH?

Or is it the same as UA's upgrade PP requirement - 30PP?
Codeshare with UA fare classes are not eligible for upgrades on LH.

LH requires 40 PlusPloints for G fares
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
Codeshare with UA fare classes are not eligible for upgrades on LH.

LH requires 40 PlusPloints for G fares
Thanks!
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Old Mar 10, 2022, 11:21 am
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I have an LH reservation on LH stock - I have successfully upgraded one long haul sector on the web, but when I try to upgrade a European business sector I get the message "

Please contact the source where you booked the ticket."

I have plus points to burn, so I am happy to spend the points to upgrade - contacting LH seems pointless. Can a UA agent apply them?

Another long haul sector is waitlisted - even though Expert Flyer shows I class award availability and P9 ! Isn't that supposed to indicate upgrade availability?
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Old Mar 10, 2022, 11:34 am
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Originally Posted by sabbasolo
I have an LH reservation on LH stock - I have successfully upgraded one long haul sector on the web, but when I try to upgrade a European business sector I get the message "

Please contact the source where you booked the ticket."

I have plus points to burn, so I am happy to spend the points to upgrade - contacting LH seems pointless. Can a UA agent apply them?

Another long haul sector is waitlisted - even though Expert Flyer shows I class award availability and P9 ! Isn't that supposed to indicate upgrade availability?
No, general UA reservations agents cannot apply Plus Points to partner flights. Web support might be able to diagnose the issue or otherwise help out.

For your long-haul sector, did you apply Plus Points when there was no I and end up on the waitlist as a result, or did you apply when there was I but instead ended up on the waitlist? The latter shouldn't happen. If the former, I suspect there's a lag between releasing I and clearing the waitlist; not sure what, if anything, you can do about that.
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