Nov 14, 2019, 11:02 pm
UA Ending LAX-SIN, going 2x daily SFO-SIN, 27 OCT 2018
Oct 14, 2018, 12:10 am
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Oct 14, 2018, 12:31 am
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HKG-SIN was a super easy upgrade, and SFO-HKG-SIN was at the end a considerably easier upgrade than SFO-SIN. It also created excellent SDC opportunities when combined with the two SIN nonstops - very easy to roll a flight to the next day, or create a stop at HKG.
Oct 14, 2018, 2:31 am
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Being forced to SFO from say CVG on the domestic network simply blows. Doubly so on the return.
Oct 14, 2018, 1:36 pm
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I simply cannot fathom where this idea of hordes of NYC-origin passengers flying to SIN via SFO is coming from. EWR-SIN may very well take passengers from UA, but not from EWR-SFO-SIN. It will take passengers from EWR-NRT-SIN. And the JFK-FRA-SIN flight is hardly new.
I do agree that there's more US-Singapore capacity than demand right now. SQ clearly didn't like UA entering the SFO-SIN market and has decided to retaliate. In the short term, customers will be the winners as UA and SQ try to undercut each other on price. Longer-term, it's likely that customers will be the losers, as one airline or the other will retreat and thus allow airfare to rise.
I do agree that there's more US-Singapore capacity than demand right now. SQ clearly didn't like UA entering the SFO-SIN market and has decided to retaliate. In the short term, customers will be the winners as UA and SQ try to undercut each other on price. Longer-term, it's likely that customers will be the losers, as one airline or the other will retreat and thus allow airfare to rise.
BTW, for those wondering about corporate traffic, here's a list of some large US companies with regional HQs in Singapore and where they are based in the US.
Bay Area
Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Google, LinkedIn, Chevron, Cisco, Levi Strauss, HP, EA
NYC Metro
Mondelez, Pfitzer, Merck
Minneapolis
Cargill, Donaldson
Seattle
Microsoft
Boise
Micron
LA
Disney
Boston
GE
Cincinnati
P&G
Detroit
GM
Chicago
ADM
Raleigh/Durham
Quintiles
Atlanta
UPS
Dallas/Fort Worth
Kimberly-Clark
Oct 14, 2018, 4:03 pm
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I think there will be an eventual capacity decrease in the USA-SIN market, but I think it will mostly come from SQ and not UA. I think SQ will make SIN-SFO be 2x daily, whether that is 1x nonstop and 1x via HKG, 2x nonstop and 0 via HKG, or some mixture of 10x weekly nonstop and 4x weekly via HKG. Similar situation with LAX, where I think they will eventually go to 14x weekly either as 1x nonstop + 1x via NRT, 2x nonstop, or 10x weekly nonstop + 4x weekly via NRT. Also not sure if SIN-FRA-JFK will stay on the A380 or be changed to a 77W or 359.
BTW, for those wondering about corporate traffic, here's a list of some large US companies with regional HQs in Singapore and where they are based in the US.
Bay Area
Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Google, LinkedIn, Chevron, Cisco, Levi Strauss, HP, EA
NYC Metro
Mondelez, Pfitzer, Merck
Minneapolis
Cargill, Donaldson
Seattle
Microsoft
Boise
Micron
LA
Disney
Boston
GE
Cincinnati
P&G
Detroit
GM
Chicago
ADM
Raleigh/Durham
Quintiles
Atlanta
UPS
Dallas/Fort Worth
Kimberly-Clark
BTW, for those wondering about corporate traffic, here's a list of some large US companies with regional HQs in Singapore and where they are based in the US.
Bay Area
Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Google, LinkedIn, Chevron, Cisco, Levi Strauss, HP, EA
NYC Metro
Mondelez, Pfitzer, Merck
Minneapolis
Cargill, Donaldson
Seattle
Microsoft
Boise
Micron
LA
Disney
Boston
GE
Cincinnati
P&G
Detroit
GM
Chicago
ADM
Raleigh/Durham
Quintiles
Atlanta
UPS
Dallas/Fort Worth
Kimberly-Clark
Oct 14, 2018, 4:29 pm
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I think there will be an eventual capacity decrease in the USA-SIN market, but I think it will mostly come from SQ and not UA. I think SQ will make SIN-SFO be 2x daily, whether that is 1x nonstop and 1x via HKG, 2x nonstop and 0 via HKG, or some mixture of 10x weekly nonstop and 4x weekly via HKG. Similar situation with LAX, where I think they will eventually go to 14x weekly either as 1x nonstop + 1x via NRT, 2x nonstop, or 10x weekly nonstop + 4x weekly via NRT. Also not sure if SIN-FRA-JFK will stay on the A380 or be changed to a 77W or 359.
BTW, for those wondering about corporate traffic, here's a list of some large US companies with regional HQs in Singapore and where they are based in the US.
Bay Area
Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Google, LinkedIn, Chevron, Cisco, Levi Strauss, HP, EA
NYC Metro
Mondelez, Pfitzer, Merck
Minneapolis
Cargill, Donaldson
Seattle
Microsoft
Boise
Micron
LA
Disney
Boston
GE
Cincinnati
P&G
Detroit
GM
Chicago
ADM
Raleigh/Durham
Quintiles
Atlanta
UPS
Dallas/Fort Worth
Kimberly-Clark
BTW, for those wondering about corporate traffic, here's a list of some large US companies with regional HQs in Singapore and where they are based in the US.
Bay Area
Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Google, LinkedIn, Chevron, Cisco, Levi Strauss, HP, EA
NYC Metro
Mondelez, Pfitzer, Merck
Minneapolis
Cargill, Donaldson
Seattle
Microsoft
Boise
Micron
LA
Disney
Boston
GE
Cincinnati
P&G
Detroit
GM
Chicago
ADM
Raleigh/Durham
Quintiles
Atlanta
UPS
Dallas/Fort Worth
Kimberly-Clark
Oct 14, 2018, 8:58 pm
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I think its pre mature to assume that all those companies would use UA to shuttle their employees to SIN. I personally know 2 Google employees who have done the Singapore run more than three times this year, and in both instances they took SQ. An executive for twitter I know who is fairly high up with similar travel patterns to Singapore took delta, albeit with a stop in NRT.
The truth of the matter is : As much as UA would like to force its contract holders to be in compliance, the employees will fly what makes sense as far as budget allows.
My prediction is the morning arrival flight stays, the morning departure flight will be the one to go. SQ's flight arrives and departs roughly around the same time as UA 29
The truth of the matter is : As much as UA would like to force its contract holders to be in compliance, the employees will fly what makes sense as far as budget allows.
My prediction is the morning arrival flight stays, the morning departure flight will be the one to go. SQ's flight arrives and departs roughly around the same time as UA 29
Oct 14, 2018, 9:38 pm
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I think there will be an eventual capacity decrease in the USA-SIN market, but I think it will mostly come from SQ and not UA. I think SQ will make SIN-SFO be 2x daily, whether that is 1x nonstop and 1x via HKG, 2x nonstop and 0 via HKG, or some mixture of 10x weekly nonstop and 4x weekly via HKG. Similar situation with LAX, where I think they will eventually go to 14x weekly either as 1x nonstop + 1x via NRT, 2x nonstop, or 10x weekly nonstop + 4x weekly via NRT. Also not sure if SIN-FRA-JFK will stay on the A380 or be changed to a 77W or 359.
BTW, for those wondering about corporate traffic, here's a list of some large US companies with regional HQs in Singapore and where they are based in the US.
Bay Area
Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Google, LinkedIn, Chevron, Cisco, Levi Strauss, HP, EA
NYC Metro
Mondelez, Pfitzer, Merck
Minneapolis
Cargill, Donaldson
Seattle
Microsoft
Boise
Micron
LA
Disney
Boston
GE
Cincinnati
P&G
Detroit
GM
Chicago
ADM
Raleigh/Durham
Quintiles
Atlanta
UPS
Dallas/Fort Worth
Kimberly-Clark
BTW, for those wondering about corporate traffic, here's a list of some large US companies with regional HQs in Singapore and where they are based in the US.
Bay Area
Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Google, LinkedIn, Chevron, Cisco, Levi Strauss, HP, EA
NYC Metro
Mondelez, Pfitzer, Merck
Minneapolis
Cargill, Donaldson
Seattle
Microsoft
Boise
Micron
LA
Disney
Boston
GE
Cincinnati
P&G
Detroit
GM
Chicago
ADM
Raleigh/Durham
Quintiles
Atlanta
UPS
Dallas/Fort Worth
Kimberly-Clark
Oct 14, 2018, 10:37 pm
#295
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Let’s see how UA/29/28 holds up vs SQ. I’m taking UA29 because the 815pm arrival is very convenient and trumps NH’s 788 barcalounger that arrives at 10pm ish (the NH 77W arrives at past midnight). I also remain to be convinced that SQ’s ULR is going to be viable. It looks more like a vanity project to me, especially as UA demonstrated it’s not needed on the LAX route, and the cheaper 280 tomne MTOW A359 can do that route with full payload.
Oct 15, 2018, 8:29 am
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I think the upcoming late SIN-SFO should be a winner.
Losing the HKG-SIN hurt SIN travelers from the East Coast, as the trip now involves a transcon ahead of the ULH segment, which adds around 2-3h depending on layover at SFO. I think it's less of an issue for ORD, because despite a longer overall transit time, HKG-SIN/ORD-SFO are of similar length, and all ULH flights feel about the same to me past the 12h mark. A transcon before or after a TPAC is tough duty.
Losing the HKG-SIN hurt SIN travelers from the East Coast, as the trip now involves a transcon ahead of the ULH segment, which adds around 2-3h depending on layover at SFO. I think it's less of an issue for ORD, because despite a longer overall transit time, HKG-SIN/ORD-SFO are of similar length, and all ULH flights feel about the same to me past the 12h mark. A transcon before or after a TPAC is tough duty.
Oct 15, 2018, 8:46 am
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It looks like ANA is basically providing all flat-bed service to SIN now with 789s. There is some 788 service sprinkled in on random dates on the late flight ex-NRT.
Oct 15, 2018, 9:06 am
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NH 787 assignments are a mess due to the Trent issue. They've been intermittently assigning 788s with regional J on routes that should be 789 with lie-flat.
Oct 15, 2018, 9:12 am
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Oct 15, 2018, 9:37 am
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I think the upcoming late SIN-SFO should be a winner.
Losing the HKG-SIN hurt SIN travelers from the East Coast, as the trip now involves a transcon ahead of the ULH segment, which adds around 2-3h depending on layover at SFO. I think it's less of an issue for ORD, because despite a longer overall transit time, HKG-SIN/ORD-SFO are of similar length, and all ULH flights feel about the same to me past the 12h mark. A transcon before or after a TPAC is tough duty.
Losing the HKG-SIN hurt SIN travelers from the East Coast, as the trip now involves a transcon ahead of the ULH segment, which adds around 2-3h depending on layover at SFO. I think it's less of an issue for ORD, because despite a longer overall transit time, HKG-SIN/ORD-SFO are of similar length, and all ULH flights feel about the same to me past the 12h mark. A transcon before or after a TPAC is tough duty.
In Y no food or beer/wine
And consider starting at CVG instead as the scenario, or any other station that will require two flights to get to SFO
The idea posited upthread that a single thin frequency from SFO is still better than the previous network options is patently absurd.
Last edited by uastarflyer; Oct 15, 2018 at 9:43 am