Racial profiling by United premier rep
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The agent was having a bad morning, so dismissed the flyer with rudeness.
Could have been a number of reasons, but w/o substantiation, best not to play the race card. File a report for sure, for bad customer service.
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But, then, things like this happens in every airline. Three years ago, my wife managed to get a First Class ticket from LHR to PEK on BA in First Class. She arrives at LHR near the Business Class check-in. Even though there was a line there, a BA employee tells her here is where she needs to go. My wife points to First Class check-in way to the right, the BA person says no, here is where you need to go. That day my wife chose to ignore the BA employee and went to the First Class check-in. Coming back from it with her boarding pass in her hand, she had to pass again near that BA employee. He did apologize.
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Well, being a visible minority myself, I understand this...and there is some sensitivity on our part in these situations. In the 90s, we ran into this sending off my father on an AC flight in Montreal - the agent just told us to line up in the Y queue when we had a J ticket.
I have had a case where the FA only did half of the exit row briefing "you are sitting at an exit row" and expected me to say yes. When I hesitated, waiting for the question, she asked me if I understood her.
Then some time later, I ran into some UA employees who had "Diversity and Inclusion" polo shirts on. So, I wrote to 1kvoice and asked them to follow up with that group
UA should definitely train their employees to be better on this front. It is a global airline and they should act accordingly. Another thing I think they need to fix is how fast some FAs speak on the PA. How do you expect those whose first language is not English to follow?
I have had a case where the FA only did half of the exit row briefing "you are sitting at an exit row" and expected me to say yes. When I hesitated, waiting for the question, she asked me if I understood her.
Then some time later, I ran into some UA employees who had "Diversity and Inclusion" polo shirts on. So, I wrote to 1kvoice and asked them to follow up with that group
UA should definitely train their employees to be better on this front. It is a global airline and they should act accordingly. Another thing I think they need to fix is how fast some FAs speak on the PA. How do you expect those whose first language is not English to follow?
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Immediately after 9/11, I was active duty military with a bunch of guys who would travel internationally frequently. They all told me that they were selected for secondary security checks about half the time they were traveling on military orders. Of course, the fact they were traveling on military orders shouldn't have shown on their tickets or boarding passes. The guys who looked Scandanavian or Celtic were picked no less frequently than the ones with darker skin.
Of course, the best policy for anyone -- customer service or not -- is to just not assume but there's no reason to immediately jump to racial profiling as an explanation.
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ditto. Happens all the time at sfo and ewr. Ive learned to just move on. Not worth getting upset, they’re just trying to do their job.
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I get that about 1 time in 10 at SFO. I'm white, middle aged, and clean cut.
Who would you file a report? 1K voice?
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Given the staffer did nothing to disparage your ethnicity or race..doesn't the fact that you assume bad customer service is automatically linked to your ethnicity indicate that you're yourself rather self-conscious about matching a certain profile. I can't look into that staffer's head, but I have a hunch that people of all sorts of background get crappy customer service from United (United is the only airline where a staffer ever got loud with me and I'm a white European male).
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Sorry but from where I'm sitting, assuming it from the start is what's nonsensical. There are a number of factors that could have led the GA to assume the OP wasn't in the right line. Not having been there, I don't know if any of them fit the case but it's a possibility.
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I'm a middle aged, blue eyed, pale skinned Scandinavian. I used to travel upwards of 100-150 days a year, mainly long-haul and always in J or F (if I had miles to burn on upgrades). My first and only priority when travelling is comfort, and I therefore dressed as comfy as possible; jeans, t-shirt, sneakers and sweater. I've lost count of times I was 'mistaken' for monkey class riff-raff, having experienced attempts to turn me away from F/J check-in, priority security, lounges, priority boarding and even from turning left when entering the aircraft. Not once did I link this with racial profiling, regardless of whether it took place in Africa, the Middle East, SE Asia or the Far East.
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I'm a middle aged, blue eyed, pale skinned Scandinavian. I used to travel upwards of 100-150 days a year, mainly long-haul and always in J or F (if I had miles to burn on upgrades). My first and only priority when travelling is comfort, and I therefore dressed as comfy as possible; jeans, t-shirt, sneakers and sweater. I've lost count of times I was 'mistaken' for monkey class riff-raff, having experienced attempts to turn me away from F/J check-in, priority security, lounges, priority boarding and even from turning left when entering the aircraft. Not once did I link this with racial profiling, regardless of whether it took place in Africa, the Middle East, SE Asia or the Far East.
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UA Premier Access at IAD is particularly aggressive about ensuring that a passenger belongs there to the point an agent will block a passenger's path and ask several questions to determine eligibility. I have seen this occur with all kinds of passengers. It is irritating, but on the other hand the practice keeps the area open to those who belong there.
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UA Premier Access at IAD is particularly aggressive about ensuring that a passenger belongs there to the point an agent will block a passenger's path and ask several questions to determine eligibility. I have seen this occur with all kinds of passengers. It is irritating, but on the other hand the practice keeps the area open to those who belong there.
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One important thing is when they challenge, they should really ask the right questions. Some just ask "First? Business?" and I usually play along and say no. Then when they are ready to re-direct me, I say 1K
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... this is where things started to get ugly
9:32am: My turn comes, I walk towards the check-in counter and hear the United rep shouting towards me (I'm the only person there) "this line is for F and 1K passengers only, you need to go there" pointing at the Economy check-in, I kept walking towards the lady in the 1K check-in counter and the lady kept persisting that I belong in the economy check-in before even validating ID, ticket or class. I responded and asked her "how do you know I'm not F or 1K passenger?" and she mumbled something to herself. At this point I told her I'm flying F and 1K, and she printed my ticket...
9:32am: My turn comes, I walk towards the check-in counter and hear the United rep shouting towards me (I'm the only person there) "this line is for F and 1K passengers only, you need to go there" pointing at the Economy check-in, I kept walking towards the lady in the 1K check-in counter and the lady kept persisting that I belong in the economy check-in before even validating ID, ticket or class. I responded and asked her "how do you know I'm not F or 1K passenger?" and she mumbled something to herself. At this point I told her I'm flying F and 1K, and she printed my ticket...
When I brought my son over here 7 years ago from Thailand, being very dark complected, he was also super self conscious, and mentioned to me several times that he was different, and I could tell that he was extremely upset about this fact, and it bothered him a lot. As time went on, and he went thru high school, and starred on the soccer team, he adjusted and fit in very well. There was a small group of affluent punks that continually ganged up on him, but he ignored them and things moved on without a hitch. He didn't report them to the dean, he just took the high road, and now he is in college, and has adjusted to America very well.
The OP just needs to blow off little things like being told to move to another line, and quit assuming that it is because of his race that he was dissed. ...and as others have mentioned, these agents are lazy, and it is their m.o. to automatically direct EVERYONE somewhere else so that they can just "Hang Out!"
Naw! The OP was treated just like EVERYONE else who gets assisted by this t/a, so in that respect he is just a regular UA pax, and he should feel honored that he gets handled just like the rest of us!
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