Oct 29, 2018, 2:14 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
UA has started installing Premium Plus / Premium Economy seats in 772s and 773s. Other long haul aircraft will also be receiving these new seats.
For 77x it is a 2-4-2 (vs economy 3-4-3) with 3 rows - 24 seats
For 76x it is believe it will be 2-2-2 (vs 2-3-2) with 3 rows ( and maybe a partial row) - 22 seats
For 78x it is believed it will be 2-3-2 (vs 3-3-3) with 3 rows - 21 seats
UA has not yet started selling this new cabin but has restructured its fare class -- which appears to be in preparation of selling the new cabin (and removed 3-class F)
In the meantime, the Premium Plus cabin is being treated as an extension of E+ and those with E+ access can select the new seats.
In many cases UA is initially using an interim seat maps, such as https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1926142-interim-772-seat-map-polaris-potentially-premium-economy-2018-a.html
Things start to firm up about 2 days prior but last minute changes can happen
For 77x it is a 2-4-2 (vs economy 3-4-3) with 3 rows - 24 seats
For 76x it is believe it will be 2-2-2 (vs 2-3-2) with 3 rows ( and maybe a partial row) - 22 seats
For 78x it is believed it will be 2-3-2 (vs 3-3-3) with 3 rows - 21 seats
UA has not yet started selling this new cabin but has restructured its fare class -- which appears to be in preparation of selling the new cabin (and removed 3-class F)
In the meantime, the Premium Plus cabin is being treated as an extension of E+ and those with E+ access can select the new seats.
In many cases UA is initially using an interim seat maps, such as https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1926142-interim-772-seat-map-polaris-potentially-premium-economy-2018-a.html
Things start to firm up about 2 days prior but last minute changes can happen
Real Premium Economy is Coming [Update: UA studying "Real" Prem Y in domestic market]
Dec 5, 2018, 9:20 am
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It certainly creates an incentive to fly UA metal. Which will already be pretty strong given that aircraft with P+ will also have the Polaris seat, which is light years better than LH's current hard product.
Dec 5, 2018, 12:06 pm
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It's an excellent thought, and the answer is "sort of." It works for connecting flights on UA, because those book into B and because the through B fare is usually higher than the A fare. It does not work for connecting flights on LH, because those are booking into discount fare classes.
So, if I'm searching AUS-FRA, I can use O, A, B to get the nonstop flight or connections through a UA hub (in PE), but if I'm searching AUS-CDG, I get B fares (in Y).
So, if I'm searching AUS-FRA, I can use O, A, B to get the nonstop flight or connections through a UA hub (in PE), but if I'm searching AUS-CDG, I get B fares (in Y).
Dec 5, 2018, 12:31 pm
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So if my EWR-LAX flight on a 787-10 is still not bookable in W, I guess this means that they are still not sure if they will be flying the plane on that route next summer. I paid the premium for the PE seat a few weeks ago. I was hoping to book a W ticket, but there was a fare sale and I do not have much faith in UA. It seems like waiting for today's announcement would have been futile, anyway.
Have they made any domestic W available, or is it entirely for TATL/TPAC flights?
Have they made any domestic W available, or is it entirely for TATL/TPAC flights?
Dec 5, 2018, 12:47 pm
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I don't see any reason to think that they're planning to pull the 781 off of EWR-LAX in the short term; I'm looking at it more as a question of whether or not they think there's a longer-term market for domestic P+.
Dec 5, 2018, 12:57 pm
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Thanks for the info, that is what I suspected. I guess I am just expecting the worst all around, especially after Delta changed my 10PM LAX-JFK leg from an A330 with 2-4-2 seating to an antique 757, moving the widebody to the 11 PM flight and taking away my preferred seating (2 seats by themselves in an exit row) in the process. I specifically booked that flight because of the metal, but I should have known better.
I guess this is why I prefer TATL/TPAC flights on foreign airlines: far fewer unpleasant surprises when you only have 1-2 flights a day and they need to stay in the air for 12+ hours. Very rarely travel domestically, so I am a bit rusty on all the BS they put passengers through.
I guess this is why I prefer TATL/TPAC flights on foreign airlines: far fewer unpleasant surprises when you only have 1-2 flights a day and they need to stay in the air for 12+ hours. Very rarely travel domestically, so I am a bit rusty on all the BS they put passengers through.
Dec 5, 2018, 2:10 pm
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So if my EWR-LAX flight on a 787-10 is still not bookable in W, I guess this means that they are still not sure if they will be flying the plane on that route next summer. I paid the premium for the PE seat a few weeks ago. I was hoping to book a W ticket, but there was a fare sale and I do not have much faith in UA. It seems like waiting for today's announcement would have been futile, anyway.
Have they made any domestic W available, or is it entirely for TATL/TPAC flights?
Have they made any domestic W available, or is it entirely for TATL/TPAC flights?
It's locked in throughout the summer schedule 13x EWR-LAX (1 daily plus a 6x frequency) and 1 daily EWR-SFO.
Dec 5, 2018, 5:03 pm
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Correct... 13 78J flights per week on EWRLAX, meaning one daily plus another flight that operates on 6 of 7 days.
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Dec 5, 2018, 5:44 pm
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So if my EWR-LAX flight on a 787-10 is still not bookable in W, I guess this means that they are still not sure if they will be flying the plane on that route next summer. I paid the premium for the PE seat a few weeks ago. I was hoping to book a W ticket, but there was a fare sale and I do not have much faith in UA. It seems like waiting for today's announcement would have been futile, anyway.
Have they made any domestic W available, or is it entirely for TATL/TPAC flights?
Have they made any domestic W available, or is it entirely for TATL/TPAC flights?
Dec 5, 2018, 5:48 pm
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Dec 5, 2018, 6:43 pm
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Dec 5, 2018, 10:20 pm
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One other thing I keep thinking about for such requests is that UA already said the priority for upgrades into J will now consider those booked in PremY before those in Y. So a Silver booked in R using miles gets priority over a 1K in W on a GPU. If that 1K clears into PremY first would they then have priority over the Silver??
Dec 9, 2018, 3:17 pm
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I'm assuming GS will trump all as they will be directed to the PN bucket (regardless of whether booked in PE or Y.....?