Winning the West Coast
Nov 28, 2017, 8:44 pm
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Nov 28, 2017, 9:18 pm
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Nov 28, 2017, 10:54 pm
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I stand corrected. I was just going by gut feel and what people think. The map shows SFO is much farther. But I will tell you of my personal experience, that 100% of my friends who live in MV feel that SFO and SJC are equivalent in terms of ease to get there. There is zero preference of one versus the other. Having driven many times between, I tend to agree. So even though SFO is actually farther, if perception is what matters, I don't think most people in MV care about making the trek to SFO.
Both are a 15-30+ minute drive, or a walk, a train, and a really dumb transfer.As mentioned, I only look into SJC when flying WN up and down the west coast, which however.. might be kind of the point in this thread. I'll go up to SFO when I can fly mainline into BUR, get CPUed, and pay the same as WN. The introduction of BE has made that much less attractive though.
No, they can.. pretty sure it's Google Maps that's responsible from them trying to say that the bay is north of the peninsula and 101 is an east-west highway. (Old paper maps when I was growing up always used a tilted compass rose.)
Nov 28, 2017, 11:04 pm
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SJC upgraded its CBP facilities just as AA withdrew. At least they're now getting long haul flights from foreign carriers (BA, CA, HU, LH, NH).
And remember that NH SJC-NRT (on a 789) and LH SJC-FRA are covered by United's joint venture, as is BA's SJC-LHR covered with AA.
Nov 29, 2017, 8:37 am
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A new airport would cost $50+B once land aquision costs were included, and any neighbors would fight like hell due to the noise (which is a major problem at SJC). SFO has a max of 60 take-offs/landing per hour. probably 10 of those per hour are flights to southern California (LAX/SNA/BUR/SAN/ONT). LAX is also getting crowded. And adding further lanes to 101/i5 to address the already horrible traffic would cost a fortune. California has 40 Million people in it, more than all of Canada. By 2030 the population will be 44-45 Million. HSP will be finished because the state can't effectively compete w/o it, and it also fixes the crowding problems at the major california airports. And the odd part is that the part of the State that will most benefit from high speed rail (the central valley) is the area that most opposes it.
p.s. for those who don't know much about this $64B project, here is a good link on its current status: https://sf.curbed.com/2017/9/19/1633...ail-california {and note that HSP is designed to stop in Milbrea, which is linked to SFO, so will allow central valley folks to take the train to SFO).
p.s. for those who don't know much about this $64B project, here is a good link on its current status: https://sf.curbed.com/2017/9/19/1633...ail-california {and note that HSP is designed to stop in Milbrea, which is linked to SFO, so will allow central valley folks to take the train to SFO).
I love the Euro and Japan trains as much as anymore, but it is a complete fallacy to think that system would prove efficient here given the ever expanding suburban employment and housing locations, and the nature of travel in the USA and California. It makes no sense for the vast majority who drive or fly & rent cars.
Nov 29, 2017, 9:45 am
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this is quite a bit off topic. and with all due respect, Jerry Brown's train-to-nowhere vanity project will die as soon as the Governor is termed out (part deux). Nobody wants or needs this train and for $100B it would be very easy to add an additional lane to I-5 and I-101 in the central valley as most of it runs through rural areas with plenty of frontage. For cheaper and more useful to the state than a train that few will use as the prices cannot ever be competitive. See e.g. BART Oakland airport connector, a waste of $250 million that is used by maybe 4000 a day?
I love the Euro and Japan trains as much as anymore, but it is a complete fallacy to think that system would prove efficient here given the ever expanding suburban employment and housing locations, and the nature of travel in the USA and California. It makes no sense for the vast majority who drive or fly & rent cars.
I love the Euro and Japan trains as much as anymore, but it is a complete fallacy to think that system would prove efficient here given the ever expanding suburban employment and housing locations, and the nature of travel in the USA and California. It makes no sense for the vast majority who drive or fly & rent cars.
Nov 29, 2017, 10:04 am
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In addition to there being no political constituency pushing for this, nor any money for it, there isn't really any land that could be plausibly developed that would be convenient enough to serve as a primary international airport for the region. If business travelers think OAK is too far to travel from the peninsula, how are they going to feel about an airport 60 miles away in Tracy?
In addition to there being no political constituency pushing for this, nor any money for it, there isn't really any land that could be plausibly developed that would be convenient enough to serve as a primary international airport for the region. If business travelers think OAK is too far to travel from the peninsula, how are they going to feel about an airport 60 miles away in Tracy?
Nov 29, 2017, 10:53 am
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I can only speak for myself who lived in Palo Alto for nearly 5 years before - going to sfo is no “schelp” or “trek”, and going to SJC is no springtime stroll in the park with sunshine and a light breeze, despite google maps telling us that we must use the airport closest to our home, pricing and schedule all be damned
“winning the West Coast” should involve Airlines actually offering a broad network of destination choices. WN has what, one single daily on OAK-EWR and none from SJC ? And exactly how many SEA-EWR or LAX-EWR is WN flying ? 1? 0?
DL is not #1 at any single one of SEA PDX SFO LAX SAN (the #1 for each should be AS AS UA AA WN IIRC), so I don’t see how they’re “winning the West Coast” by any margin.
(And I’m not gonna waste my time with anyone who needs to include connections through hubs inthe mountain time zone
“winning the West Coast” should involve Airlines actually offering a broad network of destination choices. WN has what, one single daily on OAK-EWR and none from SJC ? And exactly how many SEA-EWR or LAX-EWR is WN flying ? 1? 0?
DL is not #1 at any single one of SEA PDX SFO LAX SAN (the #1 for each should be AS AS UA AA WN IIRC), so I don’t see how they’re “winning the West Coast” by any margin.
(And I’m not gonna waste my time with anyone who needs to include connections through hubs inthe mountain time zone
Nov 29, 2017, 10:55 am
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A proposal to change the name of the Stockton airport to the “San Francisco-Stockton Regional Airport” was postponed indefinitely on Tuesday, after the folks in charge of christening things in Stockton received a sharply worded letter of protest from the director of San Francisco International Airport.
Nov 29, 2017, 11:06 am
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The theory is that being a strong #2 or 3 at all of them is better than being #1 at one and #6 at all the others. But that assumes passengers care more about which airline they fly than they care about price and schedule. While FlyerTalk is great for presenting and reinforcing that image - we all do it so everyone else probably does too, right?!? - I do not believe that it reflects broader consumer behavior.
Nov 29, 2017, 12:14 pm
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