Major United Policy Changes Announced
#91
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It's a good start, but it won't solve their problems.
They should limit these "safety and security issues" to "safety and security issues caused by the specific passengers being removed".
This too will fail. Let's say you're flying out of HKG in business class, and most people pay some $5K for that flight anyway. Then they had to replace a 77W with a 772 for operational reasons, losing 12 Polaris seats. Flight was to be full, and there is a typhoon barreling down on HKG soon, odds are there will be no flights for the next two days, on any airline. Do you really think they will get 12 volunteers to give up their Polaris seats and wait out the typhoon in HKG for a few days for a mere $10K? Not for $10K, probably not. Perhaps for $25K or $50K you can get your 12 volunteers, but the agents can't go over $10K. So now what? IDB and law enforcement? Cue the youtube video.
They should limit these "safety and security issues" to "safety and security issues caused by the specific passengers being removed".
This too will fail. Let's say you're flying out of HKG in business class, and most people pay some $5K for that flight anyway. Then they had to replace a 77W with a 772 for operational reasons, losing 12 Polaris seats. Flight was to be full, and there is a typhoon barreling down on HKG soon, odds are there will be no flights for the next two days, on any airline. Do you really think they will get 12 volunteers to give up their Polaris seats and wait out the typhoon in HKG for a few days for a mere $10K? Not for $10K, probably not. Perhaps for $25K or $50K you can get your 12 volunteers, but the agents can't go over $10K. So now what? IDB and law enforcement? Cue the youtube video.
They won't board all 12 if it is a plane swap, they will know long before people get one the plane.
#92
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I am more concerned with giving other passengers the ability to do basically anything they want. Once they are "boarded", they are almost untouchable, figuratively and literally.
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#94
Join Date: May 2013
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I'm sure there's a big of a problem as people portray. United did say, "their seat," not, "a seat," which implies that passengers who claim an unassigned seat are not immune from removal. Refusing to take your assigned seat, or an alternate seat arranged through a mutually agreeable seat swap, can become a safety issue and I'm sure United will not let it slide. Of course, I think they'll try everything possible to resolve unassigned seat claims in a non-confrontational way.
#95
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All of this empowers front line UA employees to be like they were pre-merger with CO. I can't tell you how many times back then they came up with creative solutions for me when things went wrong. Once, I had flown to a men's hockey tournament and my equipment didn't arrive. Baggage claim told me it was on the next flight, arriving the next day. I told them I had two games today. They said "Go on and buy whatever equipment you need for the games today and we will reimburse you". I did, and they did!
#96
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They key however is empowerment for the front line employees. At Delta this works because when I went up to $1000, the GA didn't have to get on the phone and call someone and spend an hour confirming if that was possible. She accepted it based on the oversell and moved on with boarding the plane. DL seems to have empowered their frontline to offer the necessary comp in a given situation without needing to get caught up in red tape and it works.
For the VDB bidding, how does the Delta system work? I will say my $ compensation depends Heavily on what the potential alternatives are, but I'm not sure how an automated process can actually show a reasonable set of those options.
Smart business move by the way, find a bar to keep people happy and avoid IDB. unless they still choose to IDB people because it will be less than the $ people volunteer. Tough for us to play the auction system at the gate too. Plus, as others have mentioned in the thread, generates a lot of data to mine later on.
Smart business move by the way, find a bar to keep people happy and avoid IDB. unless they still choose to IDB people because it will be less than the $ people volunteer. Tough for us to play the auction system at the gate too. Plus, as others have mentioned in the thread, generates a lot of data to mine later on.
As far as I know, It is not binding you can change your mind at the airport but presumably if you enter it, you are willing to at least be considered. Of course as noted above you can negotiate higher than the 800 maximum at the gate if the right situation presents itself.
#97
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Several of the items on the list are essentially post-merger repeats of the customer-friendly actions Gordon Bethune instituted at CO in the 1990s. As I recall he and some HQ employees literally took the manual of arcane rules GAs were bound by and burned them in the parking lot, then came up with a list of guidelines which GAs were free to bend if it would prevent a truly bad customer service situation from occurring.
With so much CO management presence at UA post merger, makes me wonder how much of Bethune's work was lost due to the merger, and how much was lost as the entire industry devolved into its current state at the demand of shareholders.
All that aside, glad to see UA make some solid commitments that will translate into a very different handling of not only the Dao situation, but many others which cause real customer service messes.
With so much CO management presence at UA post merger, makes me wonder how much of Bethune's work was lost due to the merger, and how much was lost as the entire industry devolved into its current state at the demand of shareholders.
All that aside, glad to see UA make some solid commitments that will translate into a very different handling of not only the Dao situation, but many others which cause real customer service messes.
#98
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Yup, my company just made UA one of its preferred carriers, apparently some very attractive fares on a few key routes.
#99
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I thought they did have an automated system to request people to volunteer their seats? Is this something new.
It is really training their employees issue and please do not use law enforcement to extract people from their paid seats.
It is really training their employees issue and please do not use law enforcement to extract people from their paid seats.
#100
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They are still in trouble for disobeying crew instructions. You arrest them when they disembark at the termination of the flight, and inform them that this will happen. Problem solved.
#101
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Why in the world do you need a customer solutions team to do this? Just allow agents to say "yes" when requests like that are made. Or allow agents to think of these things - they work the airport, they know what's nearby. Give an authorization of $500 for alternate transportation discretionary to a GA in an overbooking situation. You don't need some bureaucratic HQ team finding solutions.
Makes total sense to have a specialized department for out-of-the-box solutions. Sure, many things should be able to be handled by the gate agents themselves, but I think it smart to have backup for those tail events.
#102
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...This too will fail. Let's say you're flying out of HKG in business class, and most people pay some $5K for that flight anyway. Then they had to replace a 77W with a 772 for operational reasons, losing 12 Polaris seats. Flight was to be full, and there is a typhoon barreling down on HKG soon, odds are there will be no flights for the next two days, on any airline. Do you really think they will get 12 volunteers to give up their Polaris seats and wait out the typhoon in HKG for a few days for a mere $10K? Not for $10K, probably not. Perhaps for $25K or $50K you can get your 12 volunteers, but the agents can't go over $10K. So now what? IDB and law enforcement? Cue the youtube video....
#103
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: East Coast, USA
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So a DYKWIA decides they deserve to sit in your F or E+ or exit row seat and refuses to move. UA can ask them to move but they refuse. They also cannot call the cops because there is no "safety or security" issue. You are now left going to the back.
Can't find the thread. I recall this actually happened to someone years ago where some lady helped herself to his F seat and he had to sit in the back. He chose not to delay the flight and just sit in the back. The DYKWIA always wins while the rest of us have to suffer.
Can't find the thread. I recall this actually happened to someone years ago where some lady helped herself to his F seat and he had to sit in the back. He chose not to delay the flight and just sit in the back. The DYKWIA always wins while the rest of us have to suffer.
#104
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In a nutshell, the new policies are "use commonsense" and "treat customers as you'd want to be treated" and "a happy customer is better than a pissed off customer".
Business 101.
Business 101.
#105
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Surprised one of their new policies isn't "If you video anything on board the aircraft, we will lifetime ban you from flying UA in the future".
Videos only show one side of the story and are quick for items to be taken out of context.
I'd be happy if they banned pictures, too.
Videos only show one side of the story and are quick for items to be taken out of context.
I'd be happy if they banned pictures, too.