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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 10:09 am
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Originally Posted by canopus27
Thank goodness we're finally starting to blame the victim.
People have been blaming the victim on and off (no pun intended ) for over 2500 posts.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 10:09 am
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I hope this thing goes to the courts or hearings in some form or fashion and the whole practice of overbooking goes away. Name me one other business where a product can be sold more than once? What if someone sold your house and another person showed up to occupy the property one day, would that be acceptable? Or when you went to grab your coffee, if someone else paid for it as well and you had to fight for the same cup. Are stadiums or theaters allowed to overbook their seating? Overbooking is just a con job the industry has had over the regulators so airlines can make some incremental revenue at the customers expense (they already charge an outrageous change fee!) and this incident has blown wide open the property and civil rights void in an ugly and demeaning way.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by NH_Clark
I'm truly amazed at the armchair lawyers .. and "others" who created accounts to just post on this thread. Even the ones who've never contributed to the forum stopping in to post their .02 bytes. Hopefully, you all become an ongoing contributing member of the forum.. and not some "drive-by" posters who are piling on
if this goes to a court of law, in front of judge and jury, *every* detail will probably be entered as evidence. the psychological evaluation of the passenger before and after the incident flight. he past criminal conviction. the revocation of his medical license by the State of Kentucky. the past conduct of the police officers and UA employees involved. testimony and videos of other passengers, etc, etc...
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by jwh212
Your assumption is correct. FAA rules require that passengers comply with any crew member instruction. The pilot can ask you to leave the plane for any reason or no reason at all, so long as it is not based on unlawful discrimination based on protected classes of race, gender, age, etc.

you can google around for FAA regulations passengers must obey crew instructions or something similar, it comes up a lot in everything from how much alcohol can be served to storing overhead luggage.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/.../AC121-24C.pdf
Actually I hope we would have learned from the Nazis that obeying commands blindly can still be wrong. You have a mind-use it!
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by FlyngSvyr
His past is his past and I wish for anyone that they can move on from it and become a better person. I feel for him as I feel for all innocent victims of the internet mob. That includes people, organizations & corporations that are sometimes vilified in a flash for situations before all the facts are in.

That being said, I don't know how his future earnings potential due to his past actions being uncovered is United's liability.

If you want to blame anyone for ruining his future, look at yourself (a collective ourselves). It is the internet mob that is attacking United that did this as much as anyone. You can say it is not, but when stuff like this happens, the mob has to find out everything about everything to satisfy its appetite. It runs roughshod over everything in its path.

It is a statement to the lack of decorum that has developed over many years as people embrace the anonymity of sitting behind a keyboard
The claim would not go very far given all of the information coming out is rooted in fact, and has long been in the public domain.

I think there is something to be said for the internet mob mentality, though.

Originally Posted by ShutteLag
if this goes to a court of law, in front of judge and jury, *every* detail will probably be entered as evidence. the psychological evaluation of the passenger before and after the incident flight. he past criminal conviction. the revocation of his medical license by the State of Kentucky. the past conduct of the police officers and UA employees involved. testimony and videos of other passengers, etc, etc...
For impeachment purposes, probably, but I wouldn't expect "every detail" to be "entered as evidence"... admissibility is not a free-for-all!
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 10:11 am
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Originally Posted by ROCAT
They are required to follow the IDB procedures that they submit and get approval from the FAA on, the airlines do not have flexibility on this.
They have wide flexibility on this.

Nothing prevents them from offering passengers more to deplane, their CoC does not specify a rigid procedure for selecting passengers to involuntarily deplane. They have wide flexibility. It was reported by one passenger than this man and his wife actually volunteered before they learned when the next flight they could get on was leaving. Coincidence that they were then "randomly" (as the passengers were first told) selected? I doubt it.

The priority of all other confirmed passengers may be determined based on a passenger’s fare class, itinerary, status of frequent flyer program membership, and the time in which the passenger presents him/herself for check-in without advanced seat assignment.

There is no order presumed, there is not even anything specific about "fare class". You might presume that means lowest fare first but it doesn't say that. The itinerary is wide open for United's discretion, it can even mean some person's overall itinerary as opposed to where their United flights are going.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 10:11 am
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
People have been blaming the victim on and off (no pun intended ) for over 2500 posts.
unless something has changed, former convicts are much more likely to refuse and disobey law enforcement officer's orders... just saying..

if you have a young child flying solo, do you want him/her to be seated next to a friendly old granma, or a man who was indicted on multiple felonies, one of which was giving controlled drugs to a woman in the hopes of sexual favors?
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by Artpen100
Absolutely correct. Unfortunately, I think most of the "boycott UA" talk is just that, by people who probably don't fly much anyway.
I fly a bunch. And I won't fly UA.
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Originally Posted by ShutteLag
unless something has changed, former convicts are much more likely to refuse and disobey law enforcement officer's orders... just saying..
Cite? And for his crimes and his age?

Not that it's relevant. Once the cops show up UA has lost the war anyway.
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Originally Posted by prestonh
I hope this thing goes to the courts or hearings in some form or fashion and the whole practice of overbooking goes away. Name me one other business where a product can be sold more than once? What if someone sold your house and another person showed up to occupy the property one day, would that be acceptable?
Hotels do it too. Respectable properties give you an upgrade. Less respectable properties will give you a bad room or - worse - refund your money and tell you to leave.
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United is screwed. United has to know that an "Involuntarily Denied Boarding" scenario has the potential to escalate, and appeared to do nothing to mitigate it.

You have to assume in 2017 if you physically remove someone from a plane it will make the news (with video), so you better be sure you're not taking such an action to enforce an unpopular technicality, regardless of if you're legally "in the right" to do so. Prior to physically removing someone from a plane, IT IS IMPERATIVE that you "earn" the good will of the remaining passengers. In most passenger removal cases, it's the passenger making in ... of themselves in the beginning so the good will is already earned, or there will be enough witnesses to say "yeah, the passenger did X and was bothering people, I'm glad the airline pulled them off".

Reading through the Reddit threads, it seems most of the passengers were only aware that they needed 4 more seats to let "Employees" get on the plane. This last minute request can be either be interpreted as necessary to ensure that 70+ people don't get delayed 6+ hours out of Louisville that next morning, or this can be interpreted as "4 United executives need to take a joy ride, frick the customers". United (or the affiliated regional carrier) management appeared to NOT MAKE THIS DISTINCTION when asking for volunteers. People generally want to help, and if the gate agent walked onto the apologizing their ... off and explaining exactly what happened and what they needed to do, the other passengers would have been more receptive to the airline's position.

Second, United is a large company with highly compensated executives, they can be expected to be cognizant of public perception and they have to clearly know their risks (including financial, legal, and even public relations). Most airline passengers don't know about the IDB process, and above all it's in the airline's best interest to keep it that way. If the specifics of a particular flight require you to go above what you normally would seeking a VDB - so be it.

Taking a Monday afternoon flight vs. a Sunday evening flight is a huge gap in value for most working adults. An $800 voucher on United is not likely to cut it for most people. Also keep in mind Chicago to Louisville is a 4.5 hour drive. Many people would elect to drive that distance in the base case, so the people who don't elect to drive (and are therefore sitting on that airplane to begin with) really want to be on that plane. These people can be expected to value their time more than random passenger X.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 10:15 am
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The United Board of Directors

Where is the United Board on all of this? I see there is no one on the board with direct experience in corporate communications, but is there no one with more common sense and communications savvy than Oscar Muñoz? As I look through the United Board members, I am just a bit shocked to find Walter Isaacson – a gentleman, an intellectual, not at all out of the corporate, banking, IT or union backgrounds of the other members. Isaacson is an excellent professional writer, for heaven’s sake! Did no one run Muñoz’s “statement” by him? I believe Isaacson would have poked holes in it in a minute, and probably saved Muñoz some grief in the process.

As others have said here: “Muñoz, you are in a big hole now. Stop digging!!”
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 10:15 am
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Originally Posted by prestonh
Name me one other business where a product can be sold more than once?
At the various universities I've attended or who have employed me, I've been offered the opportunity to purchase a monthly parking permit. Each university regularly oversells permits beyond the number of available spots, because not everyone uses a parking spot every day of the week, and for every hour of that day. This does lead to difficulties during peak times and days, but the universities explicitly tell permit buyers about the risk. We buy the permits anyways, and deal with it.
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