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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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UA's Customer Commitment says:
Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:45 pm
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Originally Posted by nyc2socal
Still not completely accurate. Yes, they can close the theater/nightclub for the night, and refund the tickets to everyone. Thats a typical IRROP. But if you're in the seat you paid for, and they select only you to leave, not canceling the show.. You will still give up and just leave? Losing the cash you paid (since you can't go to tomorrows showing and you can't use the credit that theyre offering you)? Sometimes you have to fight for what is right..
Yes, in that situation, you are still SOL. Think about a bachelorette party at a nightclub with a VIP table. If someone like Mark Cuban rolls in randomly and is going to drop $100,000 for that specific table, you sure as hell can bet that bachelorette party is getting displaced. The best they could hope for is another table with comped liquor. If all the tables are already filled with much higher tabs, then their party is SOL. Their options are to suck it up or take their refund and go to a different nightclub.

From your username, I'm going to assume you're from NYC. This happens ALL the time in meatpacking clubs.

We should be happy DOT stepped in and forced new minimum compensation guidelines for IDB. Before they were much lower.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:45 pm
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Originally Posted by MDJennings
Where is the evidence they beat him up? The guy physically resisted being removed from the plane and inadvertently hit the armrest.
That's what the report will read, but that's not clear to me after watching both available videos.

It's also not clear if the officers asked him to leave, or identified themselves as law enforcement, before escalating. All I see is three guys in remarkably informal uniforms grabbing and pulling.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:48 pm
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Originally Posted by MDJennings
Nope, I didn't miss where the LEOs said he fell. I'm imagining they were pulling on his arms, he slipped out of their grip, and then his momentum carried him into the armrest. Why didn't he just comply?
Because he didn't understand why United was giving his seat to an employee, didn't believe they should, and he was of the opinion that he needed to be at his destination to see patients in the morning.

What part of the story did you miss?

Whether he was correct or incorrect in any of those elements is a different question, but that's why he didn't comply.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by demkr
Think I'll book a domestic F just because it annoys all the right people that life will go on and people will fly United. The daylong virtue signaling is getting so tiresome.
And this fascinating and rather civilized discussion will continue on after you book your domestic F. Enjoy your flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by MDJennings

Bad publicity and ill-will? Yeah sure, maybe until someone cash-strapped has to rush home for mom's funeral and they find that UA's fares are $300 cheaper than DL.
And then there are people like me, "Elite" customers who have the funds available to pay a little extra to avoid "friendly" airlines that treat you like dirt. While United is Star Alliance, I am more than happy to spend extra money to avoid them like the plague. Originally I wanted to increase my chances for arriving at my destination on time by not flying them, now I get the added bonus of not being physically assaulted. That's worth a little extra money!

This is a P.R. nightmare for United, and they are simply making matters worse.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:50 pm
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Noticed a WIKI with just the "facts" recently popped up

A CoC link and a canned statement?

Good grief... What a trainwreck!

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:51 pm
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"Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats."

I fail to see how this situation (given what I have read) constitutes an oversale. Everyone was on board and in their seats. Apparently, the "faux oversale" was created by the ineptitude of UA/UAX in scheduling flight members for a subsequent Louisville flight. The Louisville-bound flight members showed after boarding had been completed. Am I correct?

If so, this is all on UA/UAX. If I were the plaintiff in the (inevitable) lawsuit, I would assert that this was not an IDB situation at all. How can you be IDB'ed when you are already in your seat - with a boarding pass?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:52 pm
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Men in video were not officers, just men dressed in black. Passenger was drunk, clearly tripped over himself and hit his head on the armrest.

Also if United employees need 4 seats after allowing all passengers to board, you sure as hell better just get up and drive to your destination instead because their time is more valuable than yours.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:53 pm
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Originally Posted by SFO_FT
Here's what I don't understand. These four pax had already boarded, so why would "denied boarding" apply -- if they wanted to deny boarding, UA needed to deny boarding at, guess what, the time of boarding.
Exactly. Reasonable comprehension. Any rule about denied boarding does not apply to those boarded already.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:53 pm
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Originally Posted by SeaProf
And then there are people like me, "Elite" customers who have the funds available to pay a little extra to avoid "friendly" airlines that treat you like dirt. While United is Star Alliance, I am more than happy to spend extra money to avoid them like the plague. Originally I wanted to increase my chances for arriving at my destination on time by not flying them, now I get the added bonus of not being physically assaulted. That's worth a little extra money!

This is a P.R. nightmare for United, and they are simply making matters worse.
Definitely a PR nightmare. It's good to see you're voting with your wallet. I'm actually a MM on AA, but I figure I'll switch some spend over to UA due to their steadfast adherence to the rules.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:53 pm
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Originally Posted by SFO_FT
US News:
6:12 p.m.

In a letter to employees Monday evening, Oscar Munoz said he was "upset to see and hear about what happened." He added, however, that the man dragged off the plane had ignored requests by crew members to leave and became "disruptive and belligerent," making it necessary to call airport police.
If there is litigation before all is done and over, I can see a lot riding on what was said to the airport police, either by phone or in person, prior to them taking action. Did UA staff communicate to them that the passenger was "disruptive and belligerent"? I hope it's all well-documented in police reports and in audio recordings.

Do the airport police wear cameras, even when in plainclothes, when responding to public incidents?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:53 pm
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Maybe this would get more volunteers:

A free ticket to Louisville the next day - $200
A suite at a fine hotel in Chicago - $2500
Transport to and from hotel in Chicago - $200
Three very expensive "companions" - $9000
Dinner for 4 at a top restaurant in Chicago - $2000
Adequate "nasal decongestants" for a party of four - $8000
Cash - $25,000
Total cost - $46,900

Cost of not having 300,000,000 people see videos of a bloody passenger being dragged off your plane - priceless.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:54 pm
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Originally Posted by demkr
Fake news organization takes a daylong break from trashing our President to trashing an airline. "What's going on" is they kicked off an irate passenger after multiple requests to comply with the crew. He was visited by THREE Security officers before being kicked off.
Or that UA caused a scene they could've easily avoided...

Unfavorable news isn't the same thing as fake news. But that's just me.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
800$ for a flight that is basically a doable drive seems more than fair. Anything else would be pretty nuts. If this was ORD - NRT it's one thing, but Louisville? Come on. It's not even the last flight of the night.
When UA gets done calculating the costs of this debacle, $1200 per displaced passenger will start looking pretty good.

Originally Posted by Winkdaddy
Someone probably already mentioned this, but why doesn't United simply keep upping the compensation amount until someone volunteers??? If $800 won't work go to $1000..then $1200..etc. Someone will eventually bite as you raise the price and all this mess would have been avoided.
pmUA probably would have. Upthread when I mentioned my experience in NRT, they stopped at $900 and then when no one bit, they threw in a business class meal and free drinks. People in the UC started laughing.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:54 pm
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Originally Posted by t_cliff
Exactly. Reasonable comprehension. Any rule about denied boarding does not apply to those boarded already.
What do you think would apply if pax board and find their seat is broken and needs to be roped off?
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