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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:15 pm
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Originally Posted by getagb
The pax shouldn't have resisted the crew or police officers. Not fun to get kicked off a plane but he could've taken one of several later flights and gotten to SDF with a minor delay the same night. Instead he got arrested.
There was no later flight as it was the 5:30pm which is last flight of the day. The next was the next day at 3pm in the afternoon!
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:16 pm
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Originally Posted by George Purcell
It's a travel delay of 24 hours and a full work day. What do you think a doctor's time is worth?
The COC makes no guarantee of when you will get to your destination, only that they will get you there.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:16 pm
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Please do!

Just for future reference at one point I was the Pope of Omni/PR or was it the King of the Popes of Omni/PR.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:17 pm
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I wonder what was the pilot doing when all this was going on.
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BTW I'm flying to the UK next month. I usually fly United but have already booked my tickets elsewhere.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:17 pm
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Originally Posted by George Purcell
$800 is a massive VDB offer for a one hour flight.

It's a travel delay of 24 hours and a full work day. What do you think a doctor's time is worth?
I'm not disagreeing with that. If the passengers felt the offer wasn't good enough for them then they shouldn't have taken it.

But from the perspective of the gate agent, that could plausibly have been the largest VDB they have ever offered for a domestic flight - particularly an hour long flight. They've upped their offer a couple of times and they need to get the flight out. They are now almost certainly at the convergence point where IDB is as cheap or cheaper than the VDB.

I'm not arguing that the Passengers should have accepted the VDB. They all (hopefully) had their reasons for not accepting it. But that doesn't mean United was wrong for not continuing to increase it. They were already way above what they normally offer in VDB's. WAY above. They wanted to keep the flight moving so they pulled the trigger on IDB after warning passengers that it would happen per the CoC if no volunteers stepped forward and moved on. Busy airport. lots to do. I don't fault the Gate Agent remotely given those data points of how much the offer was already up to.

Quite frankly the gate agent was likely astonished no one had taken the VDB at that point and assumed there was no other option available - and I don't blame them given those inputs.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:18 pm
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Originally Posted by rgrobins
Shoplifting is a commercial dispute. Should the police not involve themselves in that?
Not true and not relevant.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:18 pm
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Originally Posted by c2cflyer
I have to say - to everyone that is complaining they didn't up their VDB enough...

The VDB got up to $800. There is no way they started at $800 on a flight from ORD to Louisville. Likely they started at $100 and bumped up from there.

I've never seen a domestic VDB offer reach $800. So to me, that suggests they did a better job than people give them credit for in upping the VDB. Yea, they didn't get enough takers, but you can only spend so much time trying to get Volunteers until its clear people aren't getting off.

I don't have a chart but even for cross country flights VDB range is usually starting around $150 and doesn't usually go higher than $400 for mathematical fare reasons already stated. $800 is twice as much as I've regularly seen being offered at the gate.
I got 800 last winter on a LAX-ORD redeye. I boarded but GA came to the plane and asked if i still wanted to opt for a flight the next day.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:18 pm
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Originally Posted by steveo
Why not look offer to put people on a flight to Lexington or Evansville? Or offer to pay for someones rental car + some bucks on top of that, and an autographed picture of Oscar giving you the thumbs up?
Why not take one of the Benzes they have on the tarmac for GS pax making connections, and offer $800 voucher + to drive four pax directly to their actual final destinations in the SDF area without having to go to the airport first? Door to door service in a luxury sedan, using a vehicle and driver already on the property, getting home or to their hotel Sunday night and not Monday morning. That would truly have made UA look like they were going above and beyond...instead of the opposite they appear now.

Also, while UA needs to look at their IDB compensation offers to begin with, the fact that this is a Sunday evening flight meant many people all had to be back before Monday morning and thus generally can't take the bump - they didn't put in for a vacation day Monday, their remaining time off for the year has been rationed away, and any kids (in this case, those kids whose spring breaks are the week after Easter rather than the week before) have to be in school on Monday morning and not still in the air...so Sunday night IDB compensation may need to rise even more than IDBs in general.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:18 pm
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Knowing the way United is run I wouldn't be surprised if United employees use a picture of this poor bloodied passenger as an example of what happened to the last passenger who disagreed with an IDB. I hope the next time Oscar has a heart attack the doctors treating him show more respect than his employees treated one of their ( supposed) colleagues.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:18 pm
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Actual email to employees... (from twitter[dot]com/SteveKopack/status/851577672429916161)





As expected, they paint the guy as some disruptive person. It only escalated when they decided to escalate it. Plus they quote $1000 IDB offer, when all other sources, including passenger testimonies say, $800 was the last offer.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Umasoba
Huh. Wonder what the odds are that 75% of the targeted would be Asian on a flight to KENTUCKY, which Wikipedia seems to believe is all of 1% Asian.
CNN is reporting that, according to another passenger who was close to the situation, the 3 that went peacefully and the ejectee had purchased the cheapest tickets on the flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:18 pm
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Originally Posted by c2cflyer
$800 is a massive VDB offer for a one hour flight. Quite frankly, I'm astonished they offered that much. Even more astonished no one took it.

Clearly, everyone values their time differently. On this day, no one wanted the voucher. But to suggest that United could have 'kept raising the offer' - thats a little ridiculous.

Lets assume that all 4 passengers got off peacefully and this incident never happened.


Would you want to be the gate agent that has to explain that they offered $4000 in vouchers to remove folks from a one-hour puddle jump when they could have just IDB'd a few passengers at a total cost of $1500? $2000?

$800 VDB offer is extremely high in comparison with their typical offerings for much longer flights.
It's a decent amount, but doesn't matter if you are flying to an important meeting. I rarely have any flexibility in my schedule as a domestic road warrior and while I would like the comp, my schedule is too full to have time to take the next flight offered, regardless of compensation. My clients come first, not my personal benefit from United.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Umasoba
Huh. Wonder what the odds are that 75% of the targeted would be Asian on a flight to KENTUCKY, which Wikipedia seems to believe is all of 1% Asian.
United will have to explain that to a judge.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:20 pm
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Originally Posted by SkiAdcock
Succinct summary.
Indeed. UA might be right legally, but morally and PR wise, this is a disaster.

Originally Posted by DCEsquire
I think this has finally convinced me to become a populist. UA looses out on a couple flights. Let's see if things change. If everyone did this they would be more attentive. Oscars response was appalling from a customer perspective.
He's getting really bad advice.

Originally Posted by aerosexual
What did they end up doing?
I have no idea. When I departed the UC for my IAD flight, I asked one of the CSRs if anyone had accepted the lame offer for the ORD flight, she laughed and said no.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:20 pm
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I'm personally delighted with all the awful publicity for UAL. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.

I tried them - twice - hoping for greener pastures. As a "Premiere 1K" member the treatment I received was appalling; while I wasn't forcibly removed (or removed at all for that matter), I can certainly see how Sunday's situation could have happened given this company's attitude and arrogance.

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