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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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UA's Customer Commitment says:
Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Joshua
And his ticket will say all over it "OPERATED BY TRANS STATES AIRLINES DOING BUSINESS AS UNITED EXPRESS", along with notices all over United's website saying "Flights may be operated by codeshare partners."
Not seeing much of Trans States in the news headlines.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by c2cflyer
Its the gate agents job to do their job. When they are told they need to fit 4 employees on a flight to prevent cancellation and ripple effects through the system, they do what hey can to accommodate.

Everything that happened in this incident from the time the passenger was identified for de-boarding is wrong.

The fact that the deadheads were late to the party is dumb and shouldn't have happened.


But as others have said repeatedly, United is a business. They made what seemed at the time to be a strictly better business decision. De-plane 4 passengers to avoid hundreds of others being delayed or cancelled. You have to be very dense to not agree that this was the best business decision with the information they had at the time, and removing infinitely increasing VDB offers from the equation.


Don't forget, 3 of the 4 passengers de-planed without incident and took their compensation. This happens every. single. day.

if it were up to me, Airlines wouldn't be allowed to overbook. But they do because they do the economic math. They know that sometimes they will be forced to kick someone off because they don't have enough seats. But most of the time, overselling a flight helps ensure its as close to full as possible.


To suggest that they could have predicted this would become a social media backlash incident is beyond beyond beyond ridiculous. There is nothing anyone would have done prior to the incident actually unfolding that would have led them to change their economic formula by factoring in a potential for social media backlash.

This happens every day. People get bumped. Every day. None of it ends up on youtube.

If i was bumped, I'd be pissed too. But most people don't stand up to the FAA / Airport Security / Flight crew the way this guy did. United ends up the goat and deservedly so.

But all the talk about them hiring a car for the employees or chartering a flight or offering thousands of dollars in VDBs - or any of this other junk - while in hindsight would have been better for United, would never have been remotely considered without the magic-crystal-ball foresight of the actions of both the passenger and the airport security being known.
The problem is United forced a guy off a plane by unethically using the police as their private goons instead of kept increasing their offer until someone volunteered.

This is a case of united being cheap and stupid. If they kept upping the offer, someone would have taken it.
They had no right to forcefully remove someone when they could have kept increasing their offer.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by bioyuki
I generally agree that for the majority of the flying public, one of the top factors for making their buying decision will be fare price. That being said, if an airline continues to mess up and get bad publicity, over time that does add up, and when fare prices are similar, the flying public will consider that in their purchase decision.

As for us FTers, well we're much better at holding a grudge .
Honestly, it's not in our self-interest to hold a grudge.
If UA has the best price and routing, you are a fool not to take it.

Boycotts never work so long as there is demand for a product that is offered at a competitive price.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
Worse, there are rumors going around now (maybe the truth, who knows) the GA targeted Asian customers specifically for IDB - 3 of the 4 targeted were Asian, and only 1 non-Asian because she ran out of Asians to target. Needless to say, the PR nightmare on this has so many tentacles, it will be an ongoing exploding nightmare for days, if not longer.
I highly doubt this is true, but it would be relatively easy to prove (or disprove) by just looking at the standard IDB selection criteria. I'd be surprised if the IDBs were anything but the non-elite pax with the lowest fares.

OTOH, if this turns out to be true, UA's troubles will have multiplied exponentially.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Wexflyer
You seem to have forgotten that the VDB compensation is not real $$ - it not cash. It is "United dollars", which cost United cents on the dollar. That being so, $1,500 in VDB "United dollars" is not a big deal.
Yup, someone upthread stated that airlines figure vouchers as a liability only at 20% of their face value due to breakage. $1500 "United Dollars," or $320: it simply doesn't matter. The airline exercised its right to buy back that seat from him according to DOT.

What did you want them to do? Sit there for 18 hours until the crew timed out and they had to cancel the flight? If you are told to leave the premises, you need to leave.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:18 pm
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Originally Posted by zombietooth
Honestly, it's not in our self-interest to hold a grudge.
If UA has the best price and routing, you are a fool not to take it.

Boycotts never work so long as there is demand for a product that is offered at a competitive price.
You'd be the fool to not price in United's optionality to throw you to the ground or put you beneath flying their employees who had no tickets.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:19 pm
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Originally Posted by MDJennings
Yup, someone upthread stated that airlines figure vouchers as a liability only at 20% of their face value due to breakage. $1500 "United Dollars," or $320: it simply doesn't matter. The airline exercised its right to buy back that seat from him according to DOT.

What did you want them to do? Sit there for 18 hours until the crew timed out and they had to cancel the flight? If you are told to leave the premises, you need to leave.
Nope--involuntary must be offered in cash. IDB without offering it and only offering vouchers would be a clear DOT violation.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:19 pm
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Here's what I don't understand. These four pax had already boarded, so why would "denied boarding" apply -- if they wanted to deny boarding, UA needed to deny boarding at, guess what, the time of boarding.
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UA and AA had multiple flights before 3pm.. and refuse to offer those.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:20 pm
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So a doctor has more priority than someone going to a wedding/graduation? Or to say goodbye to grandma in the hospital?

I think not.

My brother is a doctor. Sometimes seems I am the only person who doesn't kiss his @ss 24/7.

I would like to see what led up to the confrontation where they removed the guy. All I saw was the dragging part.
I was on a flight where the bloke sitting next to me was a surgeon. He was flying back to the UK and was due to operate the day after he got back. When I asked what would happen if he had been denied boarding he said he would have explained his situation. He said that if he wasn't needing to be back for surgery he would always offer to fly back next day/flight. Can't remember the airline he said he had flown where the flight was oversold and they looked for volunteers. He said that apparently after a chat with the crew in the galley if they didn't get volunteers they picked people at random. However they didn't offload Medical Doctors apparently because they were beneficial to have on board in case of an emergency.

He said that he didn't call himself doctor (used Mr) because surgeons in the UK traditionally don't. Despite this there were normally more volunteers than seats needed on the few flights where they'd needed to offload and he'd never seen the money or vouchers.

In this case United made a PR mistake, time will tell if it hits their bottom line.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:20 pm
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Originally Posted by MDJennings
Yup, someone upthread stated that airlines figure vouchers as a liability only at 20% of their face value due to breakage. $1500 "United Dollars," or $320: it simply doesn't matter. The airline exercised its right to buy back that seat from him according to DOT.

What did you want them to do? Sit there for 18 hours until the crew timed out and they had to cancel the flight? If you are told to leave the premises, you need to leave.
The airline clearly refused to pay market price to buy back that seat. What did I want them to do? Pay the market price. It's simple like that.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:20 pm
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Originally Posted by flyerbaby19
They did buy back his seat with IDB comp that was probably 5-10x what he paid following the law and terms and conditions of the ticket. But he refused to get off the plane. If you refuse to comply with law enforcement officers, this is what happens to you.
You miss my point. It's about customer service. Do you know what this is?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:21 pm
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
Well it didn't take long, but my agency is getting our first batch of cancelation requests (all paid Biz) and now we need to update our customer list with a whole new batch of blacklist requests for United....and the list wasn't short to begin with.

The team will be up late moving people off UA and over to NH and LH for international, and we're running out of options for domestic flights on an airline that doesn't straight out suck.

Worse, there are rumors going around now (maybe the truth, who knows) the GA targeted Asian customers specifically for IDB - 3 of the 4 targeted were Asian, and only 1 non-Asian because she ran out of Asians to target. Needless to say, the PR nightmare on this has so many tentacles, it will be an ongoing exploding nightmare for days, if not longer.
Here we go - I was telling my wife that this particular incident has a different feel to it than others.

The big tell is how many passengers are flabbergasted in the video. With the exception on one DB -sounding guy thanking the officers, everyone else in the video couldn't believe their eyes or ears.

I've seen many videos of unruly pax being dragged off planes, and most LEOs are met with applause - not this time and not this set of circumstances.

This time, it's different. UA crossed a big line IMHO.

I was planning on booking some travel for my in-laws this summer, and I was 80% convinced I would book them United. However, after this incident, there is no chance.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:21 pm
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Originally Posted by leungy18

Well, this is another lesson for UA (and pretty much every company in the hospitality industry). Stuff goes viral in 2017 very quickly. Come on, it's not like their PR employees were born yesterday...
But the incident involved a bumped passenger and Airport Security. It happened to be on a United Plane. But I don't know what you are suggesting United's PR department was going to do - hang out at every gate in the country in the event security needs to come on board in order to analyze the situation for viral plausibility?

I'll say the controversial thing here.

I don't really know what United is going to learn from this incident.

Yea, their PR will probably take some notes about their response, but as far as everything they did prior to the passenger being deplaned - do you really think this incident is going to change well established formulas used industry wide for booking and compensation?

I would love to see United offering higher compensation for VDB's - or even Cash compensation instead of Vouchers in the future. But the truth is, the system works most of the time and this event was an outlier. I really don't see anything actually being 'learned' from this incident on the United side other than maybe some kind of training event between their staff and the Airport Security staff at the originating location where they discuss how to better handle such situations if they arise in the future.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:21 pm
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Originally Posted by SFO_FT
Here's what I don't understand. These four pax had already boarded, so why would "denied boarding" apply -- if they wanted to deny boarding, UA needed to deny boarding at, guess what, the time of boarding.
Corporate doublespeak. There is a lot of it today by United, and on this board.
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