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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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UA's Customer Commitment says:
Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:23 pm
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This should have been done long before the passengers boarded - at check-in. Why on earth would you let them all board, knowing you need to remove 4 of them? I have only ever seen this once before (when already boarded) and that was due to the aircraft going tech after pushback, then requiring an aircraft change which had less seats - but the offer for volunteers was top notch and had more than enough. This is definitely UA's poor management of an overbooked flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:23 pm
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My two cents. Here are the problems.

1. The politicians have written the laws to unfairly benefit the airlines.

2. UA was stupid. I've gotten $6k from DL to take a flight that got in 10 minutes later. UA could have done something similar.

3. The pax was a jerk. Admittedly the laws are bad but that doesn't give him the right to ignore them and inconvenience the other pax. He's legally required to comply both with crew instructions and lawful orders from law enforcement. How do you think police enforce lawful orders that are not complied with.

4. The people who disrupt flights are never prosecuted. They just get a lecture and then are put on another flight home. There's very little downside for starting a fuss on an airplane... and you get a lot of attention and sympathy on social media. If there was a real risk of prosecution, pax would comply with the first polite request from the crew.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
What if he is 'held off' the plane and then insists he needs to get on the plane and pushes past the GA? I mean technically it's the exact same issue, he'd have a paid ticket and a boarding pass. But people wouldn't side with him because someone trying to force their way *onto* an aircraft unsettles people. It's all about the optics and sounds of the video here.

I also guarantee you that if the pax in the video had applauded and there hadn't been 2 or 3 people voicing their upset about it, people would have by default sided with the airline and the story would focus on the 'erratic' passenger and wouldn't go very far.

Perception is reality.
There is a substantive difference between someone being denied access to the aircraft and forcing his way on being, in turn, removed by force from someone who lawfully boarded and then was violently removed.

I don't care if the guy was a doctor or unemployed or mentally questionable -- United made this problem and heads should roll over it.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:23 pm
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Originally Posted by closetasfan
Interesting how the CEO was sorry about having to make alternative arrangements but not to the man who was dragged out. Also feel sorry a bit for United as it was not their personnel who were operating the flight or dragged the man off the plane.
He's just paying lip service. Which I guess is better than under the previous CEO? Smi-suck would have kicked the guy off the plane himself.

This is eerily reminiscent of my last experience with United. Crew availability blew out the departure a day (it was either that or take a lap around the country after waking up at 3:30am for a 5am flight to make the original international connection.) Regional flight is hideously oversold, but they *board the plane anyway* and then come up and try to trick my partner out of her paid F seat on a paid J itinerary for a GS who was having a massive flip-out. Only after I started talking about how bad this would look and how much compensation we would both be pursuing if they kicked us off did they relent.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:23 pm
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In this case, "going by the book" means that their book is wrong.

No excuse for UA UX and Chi Airport Po. They all need to proper "Book" thrown at them.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:23 pm
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Originally Posted by SpinOn2
Sigh, so many comments from people who haven't worked a day in their life as a gate agent.

United Dispatch could have very well called up at the last minute and said "We have 4 must-ride crew members that have to get on, you will have to pull off 4 people for them." Thusly why the gate agents may have had to take people off who boarded. The flight does not go til the crew is on... so they need to act fast to get the plane out.

They have specific protocol for who gets IDB. When you get IDB, you get compensated depending on how long you are delayed arriving home. If that pax was given reasonable accommodation within an hour or two, nothing is given, but after a time they get paid an actual check for their inconvenience. It's very possible that guy could get a $1400 dollar check a hotel and a flight out early the next day.

Not to mention it wasn;t United Employees dragging him out, it was security. When UA tells you that you have to get off, you have to get off. If they explained it many times like they claim, then he was refusing to obey instructions from an airline on their own aircraft. It is THERE aircraft. Could security possibly handled it better? Sure, but they probably had been going around in circles with the guy who was refusing.

This is just another case of the general public who doesn't know crap about working for an airline or the rules of the airline, reacting. Is it an unfortunate scenario that could have been handled better by all sides? Yes. Still, people comment get outraged about stuff they have no true idea about.
I would not wish this upon my worst enemy.
But I pray you will get IDBed for your next flight to get a taste of your own poop soup.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
Ironically, if more people book DL as a result, that would make you more likely to be IDBed with them
Huh?

United's IDB rate is 4x that of Delta's. Kind of supports the United cheapness theory.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:24 pm
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Coming soon to an airport near you: protests by PAX Lives Matter.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:25 pm
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Originally Posted by sullim4

I am no fan of FAA regulation but I think we are at a point where if you are on a plane, sitting in a seat with a boarding pass scanned as valid at the gate... that seat is yours unless you voluntarily give it up, or there's a weight/balance issue preventing the aircraft from leaving in which case you get IDB compensation. IDB otherwise should not even be in play.
But now you're already qualifying never. Where do you stop? The average flyer understands weight and balance even less that "we have to get crew to xxx".
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:25 pm
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Originally Posted by 5khours

3. The pax was a jerk. Admittedly the laws are bad but that doesn't give him the right to ignore them and inconvenience the other pax. He's legally required to comply both with crew instructions and lawful orders from law enforcement. How do you think police enforce lawful orders that are not complied with.
Thankfully, in this country we don't accept "beating" as an appropriate extrajudicial response to being a jerk or refusing the orders of a crew member (however unlawful/lawful/appropriate/inappropriate that order may be).

to the ground crew that set this in motion.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:25 pm
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I understand the airliners have sneaked in some clauses into the ticketing contract with a passenger thst they can overbook flights/passengers can be asked to dismembstk, etc etc but this is unethical and wrong. Its the same thing as advertising a seat for 5 bucks on a special promotional fare but a customer ends up having to pay 50 bucks pnce taxes are added, airline service charges and credit card charges are added.

It's false advertising.

When a customer has paid for his/her ticket, and have been at the check in counter on time, got to the gate on time snd boarded on time, how can one "randomly" pick passengers to remove because the airline screwed up and had not planned for the 4 seats they needed for their crew.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:25 pm
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Originally Posted by flyerbaby19
But they never sort out before boarding. They don't know how many no-shows until after boarding.

Actually, I'll recall in the PMUA days, they would often do the VDB before boarding started. But after the takeover, I've never once gotten my voucher until after they board and know for certain that I'm needed.
sure they do, only the standby's are not given seats....if you've checked in they assume your boarding...if last call is made and they have an open seat then a standby gets on...
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:26 pm
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wow, this story made it on the page of a very reputable German newspaper ... http://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellsch...-14966998.html UA is getting a ton of horrible press these days, even international. And what do they do ... nothing as far as I can tell. $400 was a joke of an offer and even $800 is not the end of the story. Before forcefully dragging out pax they should have gone way higher, especially if it is for their crew! Truly pathetic and if they didn't see that PR disaster coming ... I don't know.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:26 pm
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Originally Posted by BayAreaPilot
Definitely bad form for the gate agents to board passengers they may have to IDB, but the passenger should have gotten off the plane when asked. The FAA is not amused by passengers who fail to comply with crewmember instructions.
No. Sorry. If you 'ask' me? You're giving me a choice. I would have said, no thanks.

If you TELL me? I have to follow your instructions as you are part of the flight crew.

'Asking me', is not the same as 'telling me'.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:26 pm
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Originally Posted by 5khours
If there was a real risk of prosecution, pax would comply with the first polite request from the crew.
This is how authoritarian regimes begin!
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